The dog and pony show was gonna end election day regardless of who won.
this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2024
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For 10 years 😄. Well, maybe 6 years. Usually the last few years you probably wish you we're already gone or are already gone.
Either way he can't run away from destiny. If I live long enough, I will piss on his grave.
Old rich white Republican gets away with crimes?
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Because we let him
Let? How about helped and fucking cheered on!?
Merrick Garland and Joe Biden let him
Yeah. We don't have anything in place for this kind of thing, so we had to rely exclusively on things we use for corporate litigation and what have you. The whole impeachment, that's about it as for what our founders created to protect us and if Congress doesn't exercise that power, well this is what happens. That whole argument way back "the courts will settle this" from the Senate that gave him a pass, that was the Senate knowing they failed and trying to pass the blame elsewhere.
Trump got away with everything because the actual few protections we have, the people entrusted to use those powers lacked the spine to actually use that power. Cowardice is how we got here. A short but important line of defense was entrusted to weak minded people and so they failed at every step of the way.
Perhaps we will one day fix these shortcomings. Maybe. But this shows that if we give power to weak individuals that will put wealth, power, and their own interests over the rule of law, then we don't have a country. The Constitution is only a sheet of paper if we do nothing to enforce it.
I mean, Garland dragged his feet til they hit bedrock. That is why he's getting away with it all. If he had simply acted swiftly with urgency, like he was dealing with a domestic terrorist, justice may have been realized.
What is lacking is anyone daring to make a fist and slam it on the table with the proclamation: "Enough of these transgressions! We stop them, prosecute and punish all of it now!"
But this had to have happened immediately in 2021, not the feet dragging and allowing court dates to shift 'till a few months before the election.
I refuse to believe that in case of clear criminal acts against the country of america the judiciary process can not be expedited and court calendars not be cleared for full convictions within a year.
I guess it's also part of why Trump was elected, he promised the common folk to be the one that slams his fist on the table in their name, alas he was hiding that it was purely for his own benefit.
In a way I am now settled with the thought that the US now gets what it deserves... Alas the downside is that the US ego will fling all that stinky business far out into the world and everyone is stuck with the effects that they did not choose.
All in all, it is a good bet Trump's presidency will expedite the downfall of the hegemony of US power and influence in the world, china and russia are rising up to lay their claim now.
I can only hope that this clusterfuck will expedite the gruesome death of our two-party system. I also find it hilarious that Missouri literally voted to ban ranked choice voting, because of scare tactics and the average voter being too stupid to understand that it's a better system.
Why did Biden go so soft on Trump? He should have been locked up after the coup attempt.
Because the U.S. sat at the table with nazis to try to appease them and now the nazis are in charge and the country won’t get a damn thing for trying to be nice because nazis.
Bipartisanship with a Nazi party means you just have two Nazi parties.
The Union did the same thing with the Confederate traitors and we're still dealing with racists.
appeasement always works
From what I've read, the concept of appeasement was buying time because Britain was in no position to do anything, which ultimately worked (I'm reminded of the quote "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.").
However it doesn't work if you're not planning to do anything!
Yes see the Gaza situation. Appeasement is the Biden policy there
0% of the time it works every time.
I like those odds
Because Biden is a feckless conservative Democrat who cares more about protecting the INSTITUTIONS of American democracy, such as the notion that presidents and former presidents deserve special treatment, than democracy itself and appointed an AG who agrees.
Seriously. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and had pro-confederate newspapers shut down. That is what a real response to a threat to democracy looks like.
I guess the modern day equivalent would be dissolving Twitter x, publicly hanging Elon musk, and actually putting Trump in jail. What a lovely dream.
In regards to Musk, I would settle for having his citizenship revoked as punishment for his earlier illegal immigration.
Is Gitmo still open?
Probably the best way to protect the institutions of democracy was to keep a goddamn fascist from running the country
Which he and his administration of course failed spectacularly at in every way possible.
He was exactly the wrong president for the moment.
The country needed bold action to stave off societal collapse and in stead, it got Mr Slow And Steady to reassure the owner donors by rearranging the deck chairs and shouting at people to stop complaining about the icebergs.
He's got a few months, a lot of guns, and not a lot of years left.
I'd have already picked the phone up. Executive action? You got it.
The justice dept went easy on Trump because it sets a very dangerous precedent for the current administration to use the power of the justice dept on political rivals. He was removed from office and his actions were investigated and displayed to the public. Under normal circumstances, those actions should make it so he cannot run again. The electorate are designed to be the check on political power, but it failed.
I fear elections no longer have that check. I do however believe the justice department made the right decision. I don't think it should criminally prosecute political rivals, because then we end up with situations like Nivalny dieing in prison. The justice department played it's role by exposing all of the criminal behavior, the electorate did not by allowing someone that dangerous back into power.
I think you are confusing prosecuting political rivals with prosecuting felons
I understand your frustration, and I think he is guilty of the things he is accused of also. I still think the justice department made the correct democratic decision of setting the precedent that the executive branch does not prosecute political figures when the electorate has a chance to make that decision.
I hate that the electorate decided that none of those offenses were damning enough to flush that turd, but that's democracy. He won the popular vote and it's up to those of us unhappy with the result to convince others that we need better leadership.
The investigations into January 6th and the classified documents were slow-walked beyond belief. Trump didn't even announce reelection until after the FBI raid. That was in August 2022! 20 months after January 6th.
If you or I did any of this we would have been in a government black site, not free to run for reelection.
Trump won't have the same hesitation when he starts his revenge tour.
Compare to Brazil. They had a similar scenario play out with Bolsanaro. He was prosecuted and barred from office until I think 2030 for his stunt. It doesn't seem controversial.
That's a removed take. If there's evidence of crimes then you go after them...
Biden could've used Trump's own tool - presidential impunity and either fired judges or plain locked up Trump or worse, first: forcing republicans repeal the law, two eliminating threat, and three - potentially painted as villain in history. I still marvel at how little Dems care for "the idea" and how much they care about their own bottom line 🙁
Democrats only exist to be a paper opposition to fascism. They are fine with it because they think they'll be insulated
Because the propaganda machine made up of foreign bot farms, billionaires and republican “news” media has convinced half the American population that it’s all fake news. Oh and most of the judicial system is corrupted by republican politicians.
Hey I genuinely believe the legal teams pursuing holding him to just give it their absolute full selves. Proud to be an American because of people Jack Smith and their pursuit to justice.
or did americans get away with everything? not jailing pervy trump is just the tip. when will you ask for repartions from the nixon clan or reagan? you dont because you have no spine.