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In concession speech, Harris says "when we lose an election, we accept the results" (www.cbsnews.com)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 33 minutes ago

Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.

First, Democrat's gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel's genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical "decent conservatives" was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.

Second, "the high road" has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we're going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

WHY

Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN'T WORKING.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

We don't. But maybe not here.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 hours ago

The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we're bound and determined to add more to the pile.

[–] [email protected] 158 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?

Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

He'll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don't cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 51 minutes ago

As if Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don't plan on being in the minority ever again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

You're putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.

Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he's going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

Think outside the box.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago

Excuse me?! They're called "internment camps"!

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (5 children)

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it's crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there's a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn't know how much they could get away with. They've seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there's another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn't John Kerry, it's Carter.

I've heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.

Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not if they die 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, which is the risk for at least Sotomayor this term. If Trump gets 3 more nominations, it could be possible that he'd be able to have 6 justices with an average age in their 50s, with plenty of time to continue the chaos.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

Yup that’s my exact fear.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

But now, we're 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we'll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we're in the worst possible timeline the universe says "bet" and throws us another curveball.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and 'maybe it won't be so bad' and less horror), but two things in common.

  1. Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
  2. People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now...)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It's gone man, solid gone

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand how the rhetoric this time didn't hurt him there tbh, he didn't change it really

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

He stopped saying Mexicans or Hispanics and started saying Illegals for the most part. Boom.

Also I've seen a lot of 'first they came for the socialists' type posting about that. In a fucked up way that's actually the outcome the Democrats want. The other option is the Hispanics became 'honorary whites', the next Italian or Irish. Hispanic isn't even really a race in the sense that black or white or asian(or native american, technically those two are one race sorta long story), it's Mixed, European White - Slave Black - Native Mesoamerican, just mixed and mixing with other mixed so long you can't really pick it out. We usually call the whiter ones Hispanics and the ones with a lot more Native or Black mestizo or creole or...Native and Black. Hispanic Culture is heavily christian and European influenced, it can be integrated into that coalition without too much trouble.

If the established second generation Hispanics settle into reliable Republican or even just the men, that's a Southern Strategy tier realignment. The Democrats are fucked for a generation. Outgroups don't stay Outgroups forever, and we know how European Cultured Religious 'in-groups' do in the USA.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That's all it took

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago

Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode "You Go High, We Go Low".

Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I'm fond of mutualism in particular.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago

Wow, so noble.

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