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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Imaginary numbers always feel wrong

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I never really appreciated them until watching a bunch of 3blue1brown videos. I really wish those had been available when I was still in HS.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

After watching a lot of Numberphile and 3B1B videos I said to myself, you know what, I'm going back to college to get a maths degree. I switched at last moment to actuarial sciences when applying, because it's looked like a good professional move and was the best decision on my life.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

After delving into quaternions, complex numbers feel simple and intuitive.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

after you spend enough time with complex numbers, the real numbers start to feel wrong

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can we all at least agree that counting numbers are a joke? Sometimes they start at zero … sometimes they start at one …

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

ISO 80000-2 defines 0 as a natural number. qed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

If you are comfortable with negative numbers, then you are already comfortable with the idea that a number can be tagged with an extra bit of information that represents a rotation. Complex numbers just generalize the choices available to you from 0 degrees and 180 degrees to arbitrary angles.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You need to add some disclaimer to this diagram like "not to scale"...

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's to scale.

Which scale is left as an exercise to the reader.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really don't think it is.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, 1 and i should be the same size. It’s 1 in the real dimension and 1 in the imaginary dimension creating a 0 but anywhere you see this outside pure math it’s probably a sinusoid

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I may not have been entirely serious

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is why a length of a vector on a complex plane is |z|=√(z×z). z is a complex conjugate of z.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

I've noticed that, if an equation calls for a number squared, they usually really mean a number multiplied by its complex conjugate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

[ you may want to escape the characters in your comment... ]

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Isn't the squaring actually multiplication by the complex conjugate when working in the complex plane? i.e., √((1 - 0 i) (1 + 0 i) + (0 - i) (0 + i)) = √(1 + - i^2^) = √(1 + 1) = √2. I could be totally off base here and could be confusing with something else...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Almost:

Lengths are usually reals, and in this case the diagram suggests we can assume that A is the origin wlog (and the sides are badly drawn vectors without a direction)

Next we convert the vectors into lengths using the abs function (root of conjugate multiplication). This gives us lengths of 1 for both.

Finally, we can just use a Euclidean metric to get our other length √2.

Squaring isn't multiplication by complex conjugate, that's just mapping a vector to a scalar (the complex | x | function).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're thinking of taking the absolute value squared, |z|^2 = z z*

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Considering we're trying to find lengths, shouldn't we be doing absolute value squared?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

It’s just dimensionally shifted. This is not only true, its truth is practical for electrical engineering purposes. Real and imaginary cartesians yay!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is pretty much the basis behind all math around electromagnetics (and probably other areas).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Would you explain how, for a simpleton?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The short version is: we use some weird abstractions (i.e., ways of representing complex things) to do math and make sense of things.

The longer version:

Electromagnetic signals are how we transmit data wirelessly. Everything from radio, to wifi, to xrays, to visible light are all made up of electromagnetic signals.

Electromagnetic waves are made up of two components: the electrical part, and the magnetic part. We model them mathematically by multiplying one part (the magnetic part, I think) by the constant i, which is defined as sqrt(-1). These are called "complex numbers", which means there is a "real" part and a "complex" (or "imaginary") part. They are often modeled as the diagram OP posted, in that they operate at "right angles" to each other, and this makes a lot of the math make sense. In reality, the way the waves propegate through the air doesn't look like that exactly, but it's how we do the math.

It's a bit like reading a description of a place, rather than seeing a photograph. Both can give you a mental image that approximates the real thing, but the description is more "abstract" in that the words themselves (i.e., squiggles on a page) don't resemble the real thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Makes sense, thanks. More of a data transmission than an electrical power thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's about how electromagnetic energy travels through space.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Circles are good at math, but what to do if you not have circle shape? Easy, redefine problem until you have numbers that look like the numbers the circle shape uses. Now we can use circle math on and solve problems about non-circles!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's actually pretty easy. With CB being 0, C and B are the same point. Angle A, then, is 0, and the other two angles are undefined.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

No thank you

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Doesn't this also imply that i == 1 because CB has zero length, forcing AC and AB to be coincident? That sounds like a disproving contradiction to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think BAC is supposed to be defined as a right-angle, so that AB²+AC²=CB²

=> AB+1²=0²

=> AB = √-1

=> AB = i

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Too complexe for me ;)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

you are imagining things

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The length would be equal to the absolute value

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

What if not a Hilbert space?

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