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It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

And remember: a "protest" third party vote is a vote for Trump.

If neither Harris nor Trump gets 270 electoral votes....

[If] No one gets to 270 and the House of Representatives, voting on behalf of the 50 states, is entrusted to pick the next president. What could possibly go wrong with that constitutionally mandated solution?

-- What if no candidate wins 270 electoral votes?

Edit: I feel like this fact is often overlooked.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 6 days ago (6 children)

A protest vote to a third party is actually a protest vote to whoever you prefer less. You're essentially just removing yourself as a voter and making it more likely the person you like less is elected... we often say "third party is a vote for Trump" since most of lemmy is sane - but for a staunch conservative a vote for a third party is a vote for Harris.

I'd encourage everyone to vote regardless of your leaning - having low voter turnout allows more shitty shenanigans.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago (55 children)

Yep, we also say that because there are a lot of astroturf accounts pushing Stein and De La Cruz on Lemmy that are hyper-critical of Harris but suspiciously never want to talk about what a shitbag Trump is.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

Whew the tankies and astroturfers are out in force in these comments. I think we got the gamut going here:

  1. "I don't vote for genocide"
  2. "A vote for 3rd party isn't a vote for Trump"
  3. "If we don't vote 3rd party nothing will change"
  4. "Jill Stein isn't a Russian asset"
  5. "Who cares if Trump wins; they're both bad / nothing worse will happen l both sides"
  6. "I literally don't understand how Trump can win if I vote 3rd party because I don't understand the difference between voting for and against a candidate"
  7. "Liberals / Democrats / Harris voters are the real fascists"

Solid work astroturfers! Glad to see you're still trotting out these arguments despite plenty of Lemmy users discrediting each and every one. Really shows grit and dedication.

Also, calling it now that at least one of them replies with something about how they're true / haven't been discredited.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

If anyone actually wants the option to vote for 3rd parties, then a landslide victory for Harris is the best option in this election.

The Republicans are already torn. They stand together with the MAGA insanity hoping to get enough votes by including the crazyness. If the election clearly shows that it's a losing strategy, they will have to regroup and the GOP will be split. Then when Democrats are clearly outnumbering the opposition, it will also be more tempting for radical left wing to branch out without risking the opposition winning.

When "both sides" are then fractioned into smaller groups, it will finally be possible to get a majority to vote for getting rid of the 1st past the post problem, and make it possible for 3rd parties to get any influence.

But the first step is to make sure the Republicans lose really hard. Voting 3rd party won't do it in this election.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago

... And the one that's best to vote for is Harris.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

First past the post voting mathematically ensures a two party system. Voting third party is useless unless we have election reform. Vote with your mind, not your heart, and vote thinking beyond just the next 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

Third parties are crucial and we can't vote for them (intelligently) until we change away from first past the post:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

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