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October 7 Created a Permission Structure for Anti-Semitism (www.theatlantic.com)
submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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What American Jews have experienced in the past year is both a pattern and a warning.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's fucking hard - a lot of the jews I know are anti-zionist themselves... it turns out most of the pro-zionist jews moved to Isreal to support zionism - fancy that. But there are bad actors like AIPAC that constantly conflate anti-zionism with antisemitism and that's fucking bullshit... one of the reasons it's awful is that if you call everything antisemitism it dulls the term (see "calling wolf") - and then actual antisemitism gets to skate by under the guise of the fatigue.

AIPAC has directly supported antisemitism and they should be branded a hate organization. Actual antisemitism is fucking awful and we need to crack down on it... but to do so we need to recover the term and clarify that criticism of Isreal (and, specifically, their anti-palestinian actions) is not criticism of jews. And anyone who wants to criticize jews for ethnic or religious reasons can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Couldn't have said it better myself

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Adding to that, the conflation of Zionism and Jewishness via claiming anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism implies that Israel is the expression of Jewishness at the level of a nation state and thus it's evils are not the action of a rogue state currently controlled by far right zealots, or even simple (psychopathic) political goals, but a representation of Jewishness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Also conflating jewishness with zionism makes it so that if you're not zionist then you must be a bad jew. There is a lot of pressure in synagogues and Jewish cultural societies to support Isreal in word (monetarily Isreal gets enough support that it doesn't really push the donation angle hard - though settlement societies and natural preservation organizations will). A few of my friends describe it as "making you feel weird" if you don't support Isreal. It really depends on region though, I heard that from Jewish friends in Vermont but never from Jewish friends in Boston or New York.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There is HUGE gap between Zionism, and Semitism, as this author has no doubt chosen to ignore.

Modern Zionism is an empirical belief that a Jewish state exist by any means necessary - not my words, but the words of the movement's spokespeople. What this has ended up meaning is that any opposition deserves destruction.

Semitism is just a person's participation in the Jewish faith. Doesn't even need to be part of the organized positions of Judaism.

What this author seems to be saying is that being anti-zionist means you're antisemitic, which is bullshit. There are plenty of Jews around the world who are sick of the Zionist crap, especially from Netanyahu.

Being against one faction of a people doesn't mean you're against them al, it simply means you're against the people you say you're against. Has nothing to do with history, faith, or politics. I'm against the current actions of the Israeli government, as are a lot of Jews, and it doesn't make any us antisemitic, just against the Israeli state and Netanyahu.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Semitism isn't limited to being Jewish. Arabs are also Semitic people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This article is specifically referring to the Hebrew relation to Judaism, and people being against Jews.

The more general terminology is rarely used to describe all groups much anymore, but a lot of that has to do to the Israeli State kind of exclusively co-opting the use of it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes but that's my point. The term has been co-opted. Zionists are the true antisemites

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

First they came for the Palestinians, and I said nothing because I was not Palestinian. Then they came for the Yemenis, and I said nothing because I was not Yemeni. Then they came for the Lebanese, and I said nothing because I was not Lebanese...

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's weird. They all attacked Israel in 1948 and you didn't say anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Weirder that you're not saying anything now, since you're alive, now. But casual racism against Arabs is deeply ingrained among the worst Americans, so it checks out.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

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