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Edit: update I decided on a CD. I may do an index fund in the future. This was a short commitment and easy to understand. Thanks everybody.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  1. pay off high interest debt

  2. top off your emergency fund so you don’t run into expensive short-on-money situations

  3. take care of deferred maintenance on your car or house that might turn into an expensive repair

  4. If you have an employer sponsored 401k, increase the contribution amount to get 10k more tax free into it before the end of the year and use the $10k cash in hand for expenses.

  5. Open a roth IRA and contribute the maximum amount you can (which may vary based on your income)

VT, VTI, and SPY are good broad-market funds with good historical growth.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I like these points. Preventing a future expense by paying less now is always worth it, if you can afford it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

It's much more expensive to be poor now than it used to be!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

1-4 are all taken care of. I need to learn more about a roth IRA and what an index fund is. I'm okay with letting $10K sit somewhere for 5-10 years, possibly longer like for retirement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Don't rule out a Roth if you only want to save for 5-10 years. You're allowed to withdraw the principal (initial 10K) at any time for no penalty/cost, so long as it's recorded properly with the IRS when you withdraw it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Second vote for VTI.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I used to not have any doubts about a Roth, but I've been considering that maybe it's a little too much like giving the government a free loan. Do you know if there's a thorough comparison anywhere between a traditional and Roth IRA that takes into consideration the opportunity cost of paying tax on the contributions?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Compound interest will far outweigh paying taxes now for a Roth. Especially if you also have a 401k, the taxes in retirement will be potentially large based on the growth of the fund over decades. A Roth makes it so you pay nominal taxes now for potential large tax free growth later.

The exception would be if you think your income will decrease in your later working years, in which case a traditional IRA could make more sense. That however is a unique case. Generally it’s better to take advantage of a Roth if you can for tax free gains later.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here's a useful comparison.

The biggest question is, do you think your tax percentage will be higher now, or higher in the future? If you think your income might increase later (placing you in a higher tax bracket), or that the government might increase your tax burden later, then it's better to pay taxes now.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you don't have an emergency fund, I would put some or all of it into something like a money market account. It won't grow very much, but it's safe and is quick and easy to withdraw when needed.

Otherwise depends on your age and situation, but an index fund (S&P 500) is almost always the right choice. It's flexible, doesn't usually lock you in, and will generally do very well in the mid-to-long term. If we hit a recession you might get stuck holding the shares for several months to a few years. The last thing you want to do is panic sell in that situation.

If you have any debt, paying that down is a very smart move, especially if the debt is charging more interest than your investment can earn. Future you will thank you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Index fund, most definitely. And find one that has low administrative fees, I know that Vanguard has at least a few that are super low.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have my emergency fund, and no debt. If I were to lose this $10K, it wouldn't impact my life. I'm comfortable with taking $10K out of my bank account and doing something with it but I don't know how to go about that. I don't know how to open an index fund or money market account.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I'm going to second (third, fourth, fifth) the Roth IRA recommendation. You can set it up with Schwab or whoever and can make recurring contributions too (set it and forget it) there are income limits so if you are really raking it in one year you can't contribute that year but whatever you put in there is still (usually) going to grow in value. If you have an emergency situation and need the money you can withdraw contributions, not earnings, ahead of retirement, so it's not lost to you, but working for you and much easier at tax time, no worries about how to report it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

Pay down your debts first.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Buy 10 Babies in Arkansas.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

With zero information on your situation, it's difficult to say. If you have debt, paying that down/off is generally priority one. If you are debt-free, then you have options. Your age, stability, goals, and other factors would generally dictate what type of action to take. Were it me (early 40s, very low interest rate home loan), I'd put it into an index fund where I've already got some investments. In my case, I'm investing for retirement in about 25-30 years (as if I'll be able to do that, but one can hope).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I do enjoy beekeeping vlogs but I'm more of a gardener.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

VT. Don’t gamble on single stocks. But since capitalism rules and all of congress owns stocks, you can be fairly confident the market will go up in the long term 10+ years horizon. And compound interest does miracles.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

An index that either tracks the top 500 companies or the total market. Look up a 3-fund portfolio if you want to go a little deeper.

Alternatively, max out an IRA if you haven't already this year and are in a position where you won't need that money until retirement.

Edit: I realized I'm assuming a lot about your situation. So instead, here's a general list of priorities that applies to more or less any situation. You should only proceed with a step if all the steps above it are achieved. Also keep in mind, I'm not a financial advisor just a random stranger on the internet sharing my personal financial strategy.

  1. Pay your future-self first. Establish regular contributions to your retirement account and HSA if you have one, totalling between 3-5% of your compensation or whatever your company's matching policy is (That's not free money, it's part of your compensation package. Not claiming it is like waving a portion of your income).

  2. Pay off all debt since interest is essentially paying a percentage-based monthly fee for owing money and we're not privileged enough for our assets to cover that expense.

  3. Build and maintain a liquid (cash) holding as an emergency fund. This isn't for investing or expensive new toys, it's insurance that will cover your expenses for 6-12 months. Put it in a high-yield savings account or money market since it will be a significant sum and inflation will otherwise reduce its value over time.

  4. Max out your retirement accounts to the contribution limit, your 401(k), IRA, and HSA if you have one. These accounts have tax advantages that essentially mean you can put more money towards retirement than you could in an individual trading account. This doesn't have to be one lump sum, you can divide it up into monthly contributions so long as you're on track for maxing your contribution limits by the end of the year.

  5. Open an individual trading account with a broker (Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.) and invest in index funds (3-fund portfolios are reliable and low-cost). If you anticipate a significant expense over the next 10 years, i.e. a down payment for a house you can budget between this and the funds going towards Step 4 but keep in mind the tax advantages of retirement accounts means you're likely missing out on some retirement gains.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Leave the country while you still can? 🤓🤘🏽

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But how do we know that you are use it for drugs and hookers and not just some nonsense?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Damn you got me I was gonna be an idiot and put it in an IRA

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Put it in an IRA so you cant touch it and buy high dividedend yeilding stocks that reinvest in more shares and let it sit for the next decade and pray that there is a radical social change in out society so we can save the Planet and Poor from Billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You can definitely touch an IRA. Had to empty mine since I've been unemployed.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

There is no universally good investment - it all depends on your priorities, risk appetite and timeframe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Depends on your risk tolerance.

A 4% savings account is “safe” but might not keep up with inflation.

An index fund might be “good”, but the value can go down.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IIRC, >6% is the floor to keep up...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The average inflation rate for the last 20 years is under 3%

Edit: why are people downvoting me, refute my statement with a source instead of downvoting because you wish inflation was higher

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Oh? That's actually uplifting news! 😅🖖🏽

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I'll reply without knowing your situation fully. If you don't have an emergency fund that would cover several months worth of expenses that is probably the single most impactful thing you can do with $10k. A few high yield savings account offer rates around 4%, some of them have strings attached, so read how it works carefully. Think of this as insurance against unforseen expenses that you might otherwise have to put on a card and consequently pay interest for. Pick a number and always make sure you keep that account at that number.

If you already have an emergency fund, you have lots of options. Personally, I am onboard with the folks recommending index funds. I have an ETF that tracks the DOW and it has outperformed most of my individual stocks significantly over time.

Most importantly, strangers on the internet are likely not financial advisors and may not even know what they are doing. Take everything with a grain of salt and if you talk to any investment companies make sure you understand the difference and overlap between a financial advisor and a fiduciary.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Don't disagree about stuffing it in VTI... But, be aware that things can go up and down, so don't obsess over the value one you put it in. It's long term so it should go up over long term, but they're can be months sheets it goes down and even a year where it doesn't do well

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So from what I've read after viewing this thread, I make a vanguard account, either get a money market fund or a brokered CD, put the money in, let it sit for awhile, and then profit years down the line?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Money market or CD is going to have terrible return. You will be lucky to match inflation. Get a low overhead SP 500 index fund. By low overhead I'm taking .15% or less. You should be able to find .125% with a bit of poking around.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm I see a distinct lack of CDs on here...

(Now I'm considering not renewing my 5% 9 month investment) Lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I just looked up what a CD is. It seems easier to understand than some of the other suggestions that have been made. I do not understand what a roth ira is or if it's right for me.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

There is already some good advise, so I will add some of dubious value that might make sense for some people. Buy a better car (or get a motorcycle). I live in the US, so having private transportation is a necessity. I have a car, but mostly I share it with my parents. I do use a motorcycle as my main commute and it is cheaper than a car's running costs. Just saying that $10k + sale of your current car could fetch you just about any other car. It is kind of hard to do a whole lot of life changing things with only $10k. Perhaps dental work if you need any.

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