Students if school started at a later time: "That means later bed-time :D"
this post was submitted on 29 Nov 2023
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Something everyone here seems to be forgetting is that even if you are getting the same amount of sleep, sleeping at a time which fits your biological clock better is better for you. I can get some amount of sleep and wake up at 5am and be tired the whole day, and yet if I wake up at 8-9am with the same amount of sleep I am perfectly functional the whole day.
I noticed exactly this since starting WFH. Even if I suffer a bout of insomnia -- where I get maybe 3 hours of sleep -- just being able to sleep in to 0800 makes it so much more tolerable.
It goes from feeling tormented to just feeling rough around the edges.
God but I remember fighting to keep my eyes open at school and at work back then.
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When I was in university I designed a semester around only having afternoon+evening classes.
I slept to 11 every day, which turned into staying up to 3 each night.
That’s still 8 hours of sleep, seems fine to me.
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There's two parts, amount of sleep and teens have a later sleep schedule (ie night owl).
But in any case just because some may abuse it doesn't mean we shouldn't have it for everyone else.
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Uhh, yes? I think that is kind of the point. To acknowledge they do have a different sleep requirements than adults and elders.
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"How can we get your children indoctrinated into a 8a-5p work week if we have them go in later? We can't have that!"
That's half the problem though isn't it. The parents have to work the 9 to 5 so that's when the kids need to be out of the house as well.
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I thought it was easy until my kids' school system tried to do it.
The bus drivers all quit. The only reason they took the job was because it was early and they could start a 9-5 job after their bus drive.
After delays and rescheduling, many schools in the district now start earlier than they did before they tried to make them later.
Don't they have to also pickup the students in the afternoon?
How the hell could they have time for a 9-5 in addition?
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Also a tertiary function of schools is to act publically funded daycare. Moving the handoff later in the morning means that parents would also need to start work later, or take on fewer hours.
Not saying that wouldn't be a good thing, but there are knock-on effects that go beyond the clout of a school to tackle.
Or we could design our cities and towns to allow kids to commute to school on their own.
That's one great idea! But also not something public school boards have any control over
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So hire other bus drivers, or just have kids take the regular bus. Where I live there's no such thing as a school bus.
That’s impossible in almost all of the United States. There is no regular bus system in most of the country
Hiring takes time. It also required a lot more money than was budgeted because you need people who don't have a 9-5. And lastly, not everyone lives in the city where there are buses.
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I have a hypothesis that adolescents staying up late and the elderly waking up early is an an evolutionary holdover from a time when someone needed to be awake to watch for lion attacks.
That's an actual theory afaik.
Need as in, for a healthy body and mind?.. Hardly needed if we can breed fresh meat for the economic grinder on less sleep!
Revenge Bedtime Procrastination! Why would I go to sleep early, giving up time that I enjoy (after school) to more fully experience and function during time I don't enjoy (during school)?
The USA Public School System notoriously doesn't care about science or education in general. They've been isolated groups of independent small governments held to no national standard since their inception. They usually just prepare kids to blend in with their local community: manerisms, speech patterns, bare minimum math and reading skills.
Scientists: humans have evolved to go to sleep later in the evening and wake up later in the morning during their teenage years. It's hard to fall asleep earlier and even if they do the quality of their sleep will be less.
Morons commenting on this post: just go to sleep earlier
The tragic truth when I’ve worked at schools that start that early is that it was done so that the kids could work/take care of siblings. Even then many kids would leave school early because they would be asked to come into work. It sucked, I had kids that would sleep through my classes because they had worked extremely late.
Most of the shitty things Public schools do are because we have no money, are trying to feed/clothes/protect kids who have literally no one else. The school I worked at had 100% free breakfast and lunch, because the population was so transient/not in the country legally that it wasn’t realistic to expect them to fill out the forms to get free lunch.
The system is such a brutal grind that is also designed to extract as much as possible from optimistic, well meaning folks. There is no money, so most good things come from teachers spending their own money, staying well after contract hours, etc, etc. The burnout rate is insane, my school has already had multiple people leave mid year (and this has happened every where I’ve worked). Alcoholism is rampant among teachers. The stress caused me to develop epilepsy - and I’m not the only person I know this has happened to.
Republicans have been running a war on education for years now, and this is the result. We are forced to do things that we know are bad and ineffective (like the shitty hours, or allowing physically violent students to stay in classroom because we aren’t allowed to suspend them, or teaching to the test) because we have no resources and are expected to be the entire social safety net.
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