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NATO fighter jets were scrambled to intercept five Russian military aircraft flying over the Baltic Sea without flight plans or active transponders, the Latvian Air Force confirmed on Saturday.

The Russian planes were identified on two separate occasions, on Friday and Saturday, prompting a rapid response from NATO's Baltic Air Policing mission.

According to the Latvian Air Force, the Russian jets were detected flying in international airspace near the Baltic states, but had not activated their transponders, an electronic system that helps maintain safe air traffic control.

"Russian jets regularly enter the airspace above the Baltics with transponders switched off, likely to test the response of NATO states," The Kyiv Independent reported, citing past instances of similar activities by Russian aircraft.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Can anyone tell me what this extra 2 pairs of winglets and mini-fuel tanks are?

Edit: I see it now. Thanks to @[email protected] and @[email protected] for making me realize it's 2 Typhoons 1 over the other.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That pic is extremely confusing. After staring at it for 10 seconds I realized there's another Typhoon below the topmost one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Oh shit, you're right. I was confused af wondering why there was like 50 wings lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

That's one lucky alignment shot indeed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

3 kids in a trenchcoat

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Multi canard drifting?????

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Glad I wasnt the only one lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

It's funny that these flights represent significant, painful maintenance costs for Russia and are basically training hours for nato

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I wonder what would happen if accidentally one of them got shot down.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Putin would be very angry and threaten to use nukes... so basically just another Tuesday.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

China's last warning, you say

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

For those who don’t get the joke. During the Cold War, China had a habit of issuing “final warnings” which didn’t have any teeth. Since the propaganda was regularly aired over the radio in Russia, Russians began joking about “oh this is china’s third final warning this week, I bet people are scared now” type of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

There’s generally a procedure for that:

  1. Common frequency warning (ie. Guard frequency, 122.75)
  2. Close flyby to make the airplane change direction
  3. Shoot

If you skip the first two steps, you messed up and should be disciplined.

Ideally, the country that made the mistake should reach out to the other country to prevent escalation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure you're correct, but isn't it, or shouldn't it, also be:

Do not try to fly in the airspace you are not supposed to fly in?

I mean the Russians and before them the Soviets have done that deliberately since forever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If the planes had entered sovereign airspace, sure. They synopsis says the Russians were flying in international airspace, which usually means it's not under the sovereign control of any nation and the Latvians would have had no basis to fire on the Russians.

Personally, I'd love to see the Russians try to stunt their way into someone's airspace and get dick slapped for it, but I doubt that would happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

122.75 is assigned for air-to-air communications.

In some ways that's good: you don't want someone shouting about "YOU'RE ON GUARD". On the other hand, in this situation you want to choose a frequency that your target is actually monitoring, and guard may fit that bill better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry I meant those as two separate frequencies

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

“Mistake”

You think 5 Russian jets mistakenly flew into US airspace? They do this shit all the time to many countries, there is zero mistake.

Shoot the fuckers down and see how often they keep playing this dumbarse game.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They flew over international waters in the Baltic sea. almost as far away from the US as you can get. No need to get a war boner going.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Hey, someone has to try for the civilization conquest win.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

I was thinking about that incident a lot lately.

Putin is ultimately an alley bully. He's weak and only pretends to be powerful, hoping no one calls his bluff.

Turkey called his bluff. Putin was super aggressive, but Turkey just said, well, terrible tragedy, let's hope that never happens again, right Vlad?

Well and it never happened again. Turkey is a NATO member. A NATO country shot down a Russian jet and nothing happened.

Cowards like Putin can't be convinced or tamed, they only respond to strength. And currently, NATO doesn't exactly seem strong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

That's a different scenario. That was over Syrian/Turkish airspace and Russia likely knew they don't have a leg to stand on there considering the close vicinity of the border and conflicting reports over the bomber's flight path. Not to mention that Turkey is a lot closer to Russia than the average NATO state.

I don't think it could escalate to a full war, but shooting down aircraft in intl. airspace is much more serious than a bomber that has strayed into your national airspace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah shooting down an aircraft over international waters would probably be a major incident actually.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

fuck russia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Interesting article. ~~But is that seriously the best AI-generated image they could find for this story?~~

Nevermind, I guess it probably is a real photo, just from a really weird perspective, so it's like like the plane below it is merging into the plane in the foreground.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I see where you're coming from on it being AI generated, but I think it's actually the wings and canards from a second plane perfectly behind the front one. If you look closely, you can see the nose as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, fair point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It doesn't look AI generated

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Strange times that your comment is both wrong and perfectly sensible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Loads of countries have been doing shit like this for years. Turkish planes do it to the Greeks, US/UK do it to Lebanon and Palestine, China does it to Taiwan, The US does it to China, India and Pakistan probably do it too.

Not that it's a good thing, but they're just testing the detection and interception of NATO. Russia uses standoff weapons which it can deploy from its own airspace, so they don't have much use flying beyond their borders unless it's to cause annoyance to neighbouring air patrols.

Not worth the panicked headlines over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Not worth the panicked headlines over.

Yeah as a Finn, I remember there being a headline every few years of Russians doing this.

They did it before we were in NATO abd obviously it didn't make them stop.

Not worth the panicked headlines over.

Exactly

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

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