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The IRS said Friday that it has recovered $1.3 billion in unpaid taxes from high-income Americans who had either failed to file their returns or who hadn't fully paid what they owed. 

The announcement, made jointly with the U.S. Treasury Department, is aimed at highlighting the agency's ramped-up enforcement efforts against tax cheats, which have been funded under the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act. 

That IRS funding has proved controversial, with some Republican lawmakers falsely claiming the money would be used to hire 87,000 new IRS agents to "to audit Walmart shoppers."

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Only if it’s followed by 10,000 more steps.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The longest journeys all start with the first step.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s a Laozi way to get my hopes up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

10,000 steps to mastery. Then the real work begins (a couple 100,000 more).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It definitely takes a lot of effort to get to those Outliers.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For all those that want to complain:

Go ahead and do something about it. Otherwise, swallow your catharsis for a moment and recognize that small and consistent steps yield the changes we need, and that there will be setbacks.

The trick then becomes dedication. Something, I should point out, we in the U.S. are really bad at.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Keep that snowball rolling!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

Will they be charged and face jail time like Hunter Biden?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Now put those dollars to work for the people instead of throwing it directly into the military sector.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hope more goes towards going after rich tax dodgers. The more you drain from them, the less resources they have to fuck up our government.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Agreed. Just keep reinvesting the money back in

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's not really how deficit spending works.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Those 21,000 taxpayers who have filed their taxes were the first to respond after the IRS reached out to alert them that they needed to file, according to a senior Treasury official who spoke on a conference call with reporters. The IRS is likely to recoup hundreds of millions more in new tax revenue from the remaining 104,000 people who still need to file, he said.

They were millionaires, not billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Millionaires who didn't pay their taxes.

Which is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure. My point is, they voluntarily complied, after receiving notices, and aren't the billionaires who can afford to fight it flee.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is what is known as letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

If you say so. I'm not mad or disappointed, just noticed. I'm glad they voluntarily complied. Saves taxpayers the cost of prosecution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is what is known as letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I disagree.

If @[email protected] had said "They were millionaires, not billionaires, so the IRS should stop pursuing it." THAT would be "perfect is the enemy of good".

Instead this is like:

A: "We cured cancer! Hurray!"

B: "Apparently we only cured Pink Eye. So, awesome on that as it reduces some human suffering, but we still need to keep working on curing cancer too."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Does that somehow mean they’re not rich?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

They probably mean that we're still not targeting the right people. Well, all of the right people. Millionaires are definitely still on that list.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Side question. What is most people's definition of "rich" these days?

Is it:

  • a rich person can buy any car they want off an average car lot in cash

or

  • a rich person never has to work another day in their life
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Obviously both can be true, depending on perspective. But being rich is a spectrum.

If you’re a poor studen, the 40 year old who can pay cash for a car but cannot retire still may seem rich but could very well be firmly middle class.

Someone in their 20s who never has to work is more likely to be considered rich by most anyone’s standards. But someone in their 70s who is living modestly in retirement would still meet your second definition but few would consider them actually rich.

I think using net worth is a better measuring stick. In the US someone worth more than $10m is almost certainly living very well off and most would consider them rich.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you said. However, your usage in your post didn't seem to speak to age or a sliding spectrum, but something more objective. It felt you had envisioned someone who was "rich" by your own definition. I was curious what kind of person/net worth you were thinking about when that was posted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well the $70,000 average recouped per person in this effort would certainly imply that those targeted are indeed “rich”, or at least high income.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well the $70,000 average recouped per person in this effort would certainly imply that those targeted are indeed “rich”, or at least high income.

So an annual before tax income of $218,750 is considered rich then? (32% is the tax rate which would produce $70,000 tax liability in a single year). I understand this is purely subjective. There's no right or wrong answer. I appreciate you sharing your view.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

So an annual before tax income of $218,750 is considered rich then?

I mean, yeah? Kind of? I’d say it’s at least lower-upper class, which some people may consider rich. But, again, in my head rich is more about net worth, not income. Once someone’s investments are working for them then I’d say that’s a key indicator.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Yeeeessss keep going.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

That's like less than 1% of their income. We pay 10% wtf!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

1.3 Billion! dr evil tilts his pinkie to the side of his mouth in a come hither stare

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

So half an hour worth of ordonance in Ukraine AM I RIGHT? Jk, slava Ukraine ✊