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cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/16950456

For those who don't know google gemini is an AI created by google

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This doesn’t mean anything. It’s an LLM and it will only give you a valid sounding answer regardless of the truth. “Yes” sounds valid and is probably the one with the most occurrences in the training data.

Stop posting shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

90% of the market sounds like "yes" to me too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Being a monopoly and engaging in negative monopolistic behaviors are also different things.

For example if the only two burger joints in the world were McDonalds and Burger King, and Burger King decided to replace their burgers with literal shit, actual human and animal feces, would McDonalds be a (I hope and assume) monopoly? Probably. Are they engaging in negative monopolistic behavior? Not necessarily.

Obviously, as a quick aside, fuck Google for their shitty software decisions, their cancelling of great products and their enshittification of a majority of their applications.

However simply having 90% of the market does not technically mean they have done anything wrong. You can't say they have 90% of the market therefore they have done something illegal or have abused being a monopoly.

You have to be specific. You have to call out payment to companies to be the default. But even that isn't quite enough because companies sold access. Can a company be at fault for buying access as the default? It was for sale. It's a weak argument, or at least an incomplete one. You need to prove they abused their position. Or you need to make a case that the industry they are in requires additional regulation as a whole.

I say this because although it sounds like I'm defending Google I'm not. There is a difference between something feeling illegal and something being illegal. Technically, although a recent judgement would disagree with me, they haven't done anything wrong. It feels like they have. I agree it feels like they have. But they haven't (or there are further pending results which will prove otherwise).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok. But you usually don't get to 90% market share without doing something "wrong".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes but PROVE IT. Define what wrong they did. That's my point.

Take a look at the recent monopoly trial, https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/technology/google-antitrust-ruling.html

They claim that spending $18 billion per year to be the default search engine makes them monopolistic. That's it? That's all they got?

So the result will be Google stops paying $18 billion and device/browser manufacturers have to put up a Browser Choice dot EU type option.

Go back 10 years and put that law in place. AFAIK Apple has always defaulted to Google. Samsung probably would have sold out to Bing to be the default (although in this case Bing wouldn't reach a monopoly, so I guess that's ok for some reason).

I'm not saying paying to be the default didn't help, but is that the reason they have 90% of the searches? No.

Did they do some else? Maybe. Someone should prove it and we can have an actual change.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seems to be a decent answer considering the source.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I just did the same thing with llama and got the same thing

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

That's a really long prompt just to have it roll a d2

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

On a side note the free gemini version (whichever model they use) is absolute poo poo compared to free Claude or even Chatgpt.