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EDIT: I didn't notice in the original post, the article is from 2023

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/19707239

Researchers have documented an explosion of hate and misinformation on Twitter since the Tesla billionaire took over in October 2022 -- and now experts say communicating about climate science on the social network on which many of them rely is getting harder.

Policies aimed at curbing the deadly effects of climate change are accelerating, prompting a rise in what experts identify as organised resistance by opponents of climate reform.

Peter Gleick, a climate and water specialist with nearly 99,000 followers, announced on May 21 he would no longer post on the platform because it was amplifying racism and sexism.

While he is accustomed to "offensive, personal, ad hominem attacks, up to and including direct physical threats", he told AFP, "in the past few months, since the takeover and changes at Twitter, the amount, vituperativeness, and intensity of abuse has skyrocketed".

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[–] [email protected] 205 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I have no clue why all these normal, non-racist non-political people still use twitter. It was bought for the obvious purpose of providing a safe space for conservatives, racists, incels, and other outcasts to society. Mastodon is a perfect replacement for it, and you can pick an instance that suits you. It isn't owned by a mentally unstable billionaire!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

I agree with this assessment for the most part but one side of me plays devil’s advocate on this:

I sort of came to realize in the end that it was possibly purchased to push all leftists off the platform, allowing Musk to compete with Google and Facebook in heavily manipulating and censoring discourse in American society (and let’s be clear, they did. Just because it was an attempt to help “the good guys in the DNC” by Google and Facebook doesn’t make it not an open and shut case of treasonous manipulation of discourse.

As an absolutely prolific Twitter user pre-2016, I was very quick to leave….but at the same time, I eventually came to the sad conclusion that Xitter (pronounced Shitter) actually does need leftist voices as long as it exists. IMO, it (and Google and Facebook) should be dissolved, open sourced, decentralized, and socialized for the crime of treason/undermining democracy.

We (people of the fediverse with a strong sense of integrity) basically fled to our own decentralized, open source platform where we have 1 millionth of the reach with our voices. Being around such a cesspool where astroturfers working for Progressive think tanks and their conservative buddies would gaslight me about the popularity of things like Single Payer or student loan reform…which was not great for my well-being…But let’s not pretend that leftists that remain on the platform are bad people for doing so. An echo chamber has a way of brainwashing people. So, conservatism would be even stronger had more of our brethren not stayed.

Just a small counterpoint. I strongly dislike conservatism and the conservative ethos of “fuck you, got mine”…but perhaps they were playing 4D chess with us a bit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

Twitter hasn't dropped below the critical mass of users necessary for the system to become useless. It's still a major artery of media and social commerce, just one that's been littered with landmines. Yes, its far more dangerous and difficult to navigate now, but its still better than posting into the uninhabited wilderness that is Bluesky or the exact same basket of shitty engagement posts that is Threads.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: Twitter will continue to maintain a critical mass of users until enough people move somewhere else to make it irrelevant. Continuing to use it only serves to further credentialize the platform, making it even less likely that users will find a new home someplace else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Continuing to use it only serves to further credentialize the platform

The vast majority of users don't care whether the platform is credentialized or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Respectfully, you were the one who pointed out the impact of the Network Effect.

The adoption of a product by an additional user can be broken into two effects: an increase in the value to all other users (total effect) and also the enhancement of other non-users' motivation for using the product (marginal effect).

Thus, users don't need to understand the credentials of the platform if the network effect is strong enough, but as users leave the network, the value (credentials) of the platform as a whole decreases.

Another way to think about it is that the amount Twitter "matters" is directly related to how much we collectively agree it matters. While not directly transferable, I'd suggest that Keynes' Animal Spirits concept can help us to understand why this might be the case - prevailing attitudes towards a platform can have a profound impact on their value.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

It's still usable if you're not on English side of Twitter.

For example, recent Indonesian political movement relied on Twitter for discussion and updates. Mastodon or any fediverse is simply too niche and most people don't have money to fund local general instance. There were several local fedi instance (Mastodon and Lemmy), but all of them quickly dead for low donation.

Japanese-side is still alive (in positive manner) but people are making backup account on Bluesky and Japanese Misskey instances.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

The otherwise sensible people I know who are still on Twitter all say it's because of a specific interest or group, and the community of people around it who are all on there as well. They all hate what it's become but put up with it because nobody is sure where else to go.

There's also a sense of FOMO when it comes to realtime news updates. Until government, news media, and personalities go somewhere and take all their followers with them, it will be hard to break away.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 months ago (25 children)

Reality: you can stop fascism by deleting the app

Everyone: doesn’t

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (5 children)

We should as a community ensure Twitter\X lives forever..

If only as a place to keep certain social media users “entertained”

In all seriousness it does concern me how often I see such a wide variety of news agencies quote Twitter considering the amount of hate that goes on there

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The irony of climate scientists ignoring a problem and waiting until it's far to late to do something is honestly pretty funny..

At this point it's wholly on you if you're still using twitter.

You'd think smart people like science nerds would have left the Nazi bar ages ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

That first line is so spot on. Brightened up my day

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

It's because the news media industry as a whole has stuck with Twitter as their primary social media site. It's kinda hilarious how much they seem to like it and how much time they spend there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's dangerous. Look at what Fox is doing, as an entertainment company, to US politics across the country.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's a containment site; has been for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Considering Meta is doubling down on disinformation, more people should go to Mastodon and Bsky over Threads or Twitter.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Is blue sky really ok? Considering who started it...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

i don't think jack funded it he was just an original board member; but he left the board a month or two ago.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The bit in the square brackets in the title was mine, because that's what I went into the article to look for. If you're on Mastodon and interested in that content:

The text from the article:

Glaciologist Ruth Mottram had more than 10,000 followers on Twitter but left in February and joined an alternative scientists' forum powered by Mastodon -– a crowdfunded, decentralised grouping of social networks founded in 2016.

"It's really been a revelation in many ways. It's a much quieter and more thoughtful platform," she told AFP.

On Mastodon, "I haven't had any abuse at all or even people questioning climate change. I think we'd become far too used to it on Twitter... I had blocked loads of accounts over on the birdsite (Twitter)," she said.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I gave her a follow. She seems like a nice lady. I hope she enjoys the fediverse a little more than the "nether world"

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

X needs to start getting banned by governments and official governmental channels need to be moving out.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I already accepted we’re already dead because oil & gas companies figured how to use doubt and false science to create a confusion among the general public (aided by the mass conservative Murdoch /Boloré media lol)…

It’s like tobacco companies in the 50s but we can’t afford so many years to wake the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah. I've been mourning the loss of Earth's future for some time now. It's very sad.

That said, we are not in a simple binary fucked vs fine situation. It's a sliding scale. So even though things are very bad, we can always still take action to make them less bad. That is never not an option.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Smoking companies still are with vaping (vaping companies literally sell to kids over the Internet and people literally are arguing it's safe and healthy)

Which unfortunately shows that people don't learn

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (8 children)

The dumb masses always eventually follow the smart people. Reddit was full of mostly smart people in the beginning, if you can believe that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

And this is why I'm perfectly happy with Lemmy being the size that it is. There certainly are trade-offs - I wish niche communities were bigger - but is it worth bringing in all the other crap that comes in, like all the shit you see on Twitter? No, in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I remember that /r/all was actually pretty educational back in the day. There were specific users that you would know by their user names that always posted something insightful.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The Franklin Standards need to be on everyone’s radar. They don’t want your kids to learn about climate change.

Explain how and why Earth’s climate changes over time.

Climate changes continually at all time scales and Earth’s climate has never remained constant.

The Earth's climate has varied greatly between glacial advances and retreats that correlate with cyclical oscillations in Earth's orbit around the Sun (Milankovitch Cycles, precession).

In addition to being affected by the climate, the biosphere also has a significant effect on the climate, including self-regulation and resiliency (carbon-oxygen cycle, hydrological cycle).

Humans are just one of the many influences on Earth’s climate (urban heat island effect, wetland drainage, deforestation, agriculture).

Computer models of climate are simplified simulations of the real world, and make prognostications that are inherently uncertain.

Global weather forecast models (short term) and climate models (long term) are quite different in their design, their strengths, weaknesses, value, limitations, and uncertainties.

The wording is subtle, but you can see how they are attacking the idea of anthropogenic climate change. (There’s similar fuckery with evolution and some subtle anti-trans stuff.) Oil and gas companies have a lot of money and can afford a lot of propaganda. No states have adopted these standards yet - we think Florida and Texas will go first, then Oklahoma will follow. But this information warfare.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Humans are just one of the many influences on Earth's climate

Proceeds to list a bunch of other things that are the fault of humans.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (5 children)

That's great news. Looking forward to having more climate scientists on Mastodon.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Never understood why nobody calls him an "american oligarch"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Oligarchs are only for the rich outside of the Thirteen Eyes. American oligarchs are called lobbyists and job creators.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

That was a year ago.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)

I am on Mastodon for 5 years now (fuck it is really 5 years since August 2019, what the hell) and just can't get into it. It just feels lonely over there. What am I doing wrong?

Tbh, I think it is the post statistics thing. It says "1 reply", then I click at ot and it has 4 replies and it ALWAYS says "0 favorites" even when 10 people comment how great that post was.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The size of Twitter’s user base and its ubiquitous use by celebrities and the media gave the platform an air of legitimacy that is what Musk vaporized his billions to get. He obviously didn’t value the brand or the workforce.

We need that false sense of legitimacy to keep getting chipped away in the eyes of mainstream society.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

You can find utterly vile replies from blue checks on that site now, even on the most heavenly, innocent, morally correct tweet. It's insane.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

If we can't abandon Obvious Disaster Twitter we definitely can't abandon the obvious disaster that is everything we think of as normal that's driving civilization off a cliff.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ever since Nitter died I haven't paid any attention to anything on musks' little fiefdom at all.

I wish the political economics guys would move... I really miss Tim Sahay/70sbachchan & Mark Blyth.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Ah Twitter. Nearing its evolution as the internet’s premier perpetually-full septic tank.

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