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Palestinian prisoners describe widespread abuse in Israel’s jails (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The fact that there’s ppl that are still willing to overlook this, despite the blatant evidence of apartheid and trauma the Palestinians face every single day, honestly makes me so frustrated.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

Overlook, hell, there are protests in Israel in favor of these human rights abuses.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Blatant apartheid is what they faced every day for decades.

Now they face genocide.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They could have accepted that two state partition plan back in '47. Instead they launched a war on Israel months later trying to remove it from the map. They don't want peace. They won't take a two state solution. 80% of them currently support and agree with what happened October 7th. They currently support Hamas, just like they supported them when they voted for Hamas which ran on "we are going to destroy Israel."

This past few decades they have been housed, fed, their population exponentiallly grew and continues to grow from 500k in '47 to currently 5.5 million. But no yeah, evidence of apartheid and trauma and whatever lala land fairytale they sell you.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Nice dehumanization and victim blaming you got going there pardner.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago

Everyone touched by the middle east's volatile religions is a victim.
They all deserve sympathy and understanding, not just the ones involved in this most recent atrocity.

Broaden your view a bit.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Same with you. When they attack it's "yeah but the overblown atrocities they've faced over the decades" "look what they've done to them over the decades"

Meanwhile in reality land Israel housed, fed, provided medicine allowing their population to grow from 500k to 5.5M. They let them continue after Palestine launched a full blown invasion to destroy Israel from the world in 1948. Even after losing they let them prosper all these decades.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The article is about abuse in Israeli jails. You are spinning some kind of elaborate argument to trivialize it, you are literally blaming victims of prison abuse for the abuse they suffered.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

When reality is some kind of elaborate trivial argument. I don't spin anything I literally point out what has factually happened in reality since 1947. Of course they tell a sob story as they face the consequences of their own actions. Even through it all they still support Hamas. 80% think Hamas did nothing wrong October 7th. So why shouldn't we victim blame? Will they accept peace? Doubt it. If they want war so damn much then that's their problem why is it mine?

80% of them even dislike America according to this 2014 paper. Their biggest financial backer. Y'know the one who provided food and medicine to their exponentially growing population all while our own country faced our own crazy ass problems somehow we found the money to provide them aid. And 3 of every 4 of them dislike us. Okay lol. I'm suppose to feel sorry or something?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wonder why they dislike America. Your comment makes America sound so helpful for Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Prison beatings and torture. Rape by baton. Deaths in custody. In statements by people who were in administrative detention (ie not convicts) since 2022.

You call this "a sob story as they face the consequences of their own actions".

You have no credibility.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972. After the 'disengagement' in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of 'dual-use' Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted. This has been a deliberate tactic of De-development.

Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress

Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. (Arguably, the economic terms of the Gaza—Jericho Agreement modify the situation only slightly.)

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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60 percent over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50 percent decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (com- bined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The settlements and Zionist aggression led by the head of the Labor Party, David Ben-Gurion, planned for the forcible transfer (Plan Dalet) of the Palestinians while rejecting any Bi-National State Solution in favor of Partition. The alternative to Partition was a Unitary State.

On 31 August 1947, UNSCOP presented its recommendations to the UN General Assembly. Three of its members were allowed to put forward an alternative recommendation. The majority report advocated the partition of Palestine into two states, with an economic union. The designated Jewish state was to have most of the coastal area, western Galilee, and the Negev, and the rest was to become the Palestinian state. The minority report proposed a unitary state in Palestine based on the principle of democracy. It took considerable American Jewish lobbying and American diplomatic pressure, as well as a powerful speech by the Russian ambassador to the UN, to gain the necessary two-thirds majority in the Assembly for partition. Even though hardly any Palestinian or Arab diplomat made an effort to promote the alternative scheme, it won an equal number of supporters and detractors, showing that a considerable number of member states realized that imposing partition amounted to supporting one side and opposing the other.

A History of Modern Palestine by Ilan Pappe, Page 181

Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres, Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

Avi Shlaim: How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Look, only one thing can be correct at once you dipshit. Get it /straight!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

People might try to dismiss this as "of couree they would say that even if it wasn't true" to cast doubt, but every time I have heard about alleged torture during war & other violent conflicts the allegations are substantiated. Often it is even worse than the allegations that make it to headlines.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

As is standard practice when you're a POW of a religious regime.

Disgusting all around.