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It will certainly descend fast enough to get them home for dinner
With a set of parachutes.
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Holy shit. I got banned from reddit for saying the Boeing starliner astronauts should fear for their lives cuz Boeing. It was a joke, did not want it to become true! Hopefully they come home safe!
It was a joke, did not want it to become true!
Reddit is, in fact, a joke.
Wow that's actually crazy that they banned you for that lmao they couldn't make it any more obvious they got bought off by private companies, yikes. I'm glad Lemmy isn't prone to that, inherently by design.
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A total ban like mine?
I got banned for going to sniffies and bringing people from there to r/Seattlegay, which I started during the pandemic.
They banned me site wise on all my accounts and all my devices.
They banned me site wise for saying that riot police should quit their jobs following RvW. But all the right wing trolls spewing vitriol were perfectly acceptable.
I made a bunch of comments critical of the site and then banned myself (deleted account) before they could ban me. "You can't fire me, I quit!"
I basically did the same. Got banned for a week for calling trump a shitbag, then circumvented the ban with a new account and called the mods shitbags for it and got permabanned.
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Why is NASA, a publicly funded science organization, fixing the mistakes of a for profit corporation?
Because for goddamn reason we socialize the losses and privatize the profits
Those reasons being monopolies and greed and corruption and capitalism.
Because it'll look bad for NASA if people are stranded in the ISS (plus, I assume they have to foot the bill for any resulting extra resupply missions).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, NASA authorised the launch, while knowing the craft was faulty and leaking and the company malignantly incompetent, so it's partly their fault, too, or at least they were necessary accomplices.
They gave Boeing the contract despite their obvious lack of experience in the area. There should be a forensic accounting, including any decision maker's finances, about this whole deal
The US Federal Government would be best served by ARMIES of independent accountants doing audits of all its business, and issuing CRIMINAL CHARGES for all fraud, graft, and corruption, wherever it's found.
Make it scary to give favors for bribes.
"lack of experience in the area..."
Boeing dwarfs SpaceX in experience building spacecraft.
Mercury and Gemini spacecraft were both built by the McDonnell Corp. That company merged with the Douglas Aircraft company (which built the 3rd stage of the Saturn V rocket) becoming McDonnell Douglas in 1967, which merged into Boeing in 1997. Boeing itself co-manufactured the space shuttle orbiters with Rockwell.
On paper and judging from experience and history, if you were going to pick a single company to build a spacecraft, it would be them. Not some brand new company run by a space-obsessed software engineer.
Clearly Boeing has huge cultural issues and has for a while.
Just saying if you wanted to go off experience alone, they're the best there is.
A company doesn't have experience. people have experience.
I can't imagine that the current Boeing would have kept the spaceflight experts on staff while not being used, so I don't imagine that they had any expertis when they began the project.
Likewise neither did NASA, because neoliberal policy had gutted them for much the same reasons, and is why they are pursuing the commercial space program.
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Read the article.
Boeing might opt to cancel Starliner and leave NASA with just a single provider of crew transportation. That would be painful for both NASA and Boeing.
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It seems to me like we should be at the point where there should just always be a backup plan so the people taking the real risks don't have to sit around waiting for 8+ weeks as some people try to do best by them while others just try to cover their assess and pretend everything is ok because they are fucked if things aren't ok and might be inclined to risk lives in the hopes they get the good outcome.
When it had issues immediately post-launch, there were a LOT of Boeing-defenders: “oh no, keeping it there is a precaution, there’s nothing seriously wrong with it. They’re definitely not stuck on the station…”
Yeah. When this fucking death trap was launched WHILE HAVING ISSUES, I knew it wasn’t going to be a quick round trip. Frankly, I’d be amazed if those astronauts up there would be willing to take the return trip on it. NASA has a poor track record in that regard.
I absolutely love spaceflight and whole heartedly support programs. But Boeing needs to not be making spacecraft that humans fly on.
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Lmao.
I'm sorry to laugh, but it's just the absurdity of it all.
The downward spiral of Boeing is insane.
I got hired 2 days before all this shit! Had a pretty alright gig as a regional analyst before accepting. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At this point I'm expecting the big Boeing building down the street by NASA to collapse in on itself and the doors to be found 3 towns over.
It would be quite something if the Everett assembly building collapsed like a circus tent.
Largest building by volume in the world.
The irony of not being able to spiral downward, when spiraling downward.
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Wait what, they are still up there ?
Wasn't it supposed to be postponed for just a few days so they can analyze the leaks and 'please move along nothing to see here'.
I had the same reaction a couple days ago when I saw they were still there. Definitely not a good look for Boeing.
boeing should have all contracts cancelled and be broken up. every gov't. official that OK'd the starliner and this mission should be fired and investigated.
A top option should also be removing the current Boeing board and C suite. What a debacle.
Your wish is granted.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/investing/boeings-losses-new-ceo/index.html
As announced earlier key board members are also resigning.
Have they rotated the deck chairs on the Titanic, or is this a meaningful change?
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Well, time for the emergency knotted rope I guess.
Y’know one of those “options” was not to send it after the leaks were discovered.
Then they were all like, “Pffft. It’s fiiine. Just go.”
Then they were up there all, “Okay, so, slight delay”
Then, “Okay well that’s borked, but don’t worry, it’s all being handled.”
Now it’s “Options, anyone? Yes, all of them.”
But don't worry though, NASA says the astronauts are "not stranded".
Yes, these headlines are continuing to say the astronauts are stranded, which really isn't the case. This vehicle is working well enough to return them at any time.
The thing is, there is something weird going on with some of the thrusters (of which there are many for redundancy) and this is their only chance to investigate the issue. If they were to return with the astronauts now, it would mean leaving the thrust module to burn up in the atmosphere, and then we wouldn't be able to test the problematic parts. We could still do that (leave now), but we'd miss out on this opportunity to test hardware and understand better why some thrusters failed.
On the other hand, this is still a huge waste of money and it's one more example of Boeing bungling things. So I'm not saying this is a great situation, just that the astronauts are not actually "stranded".
Perhaps if they released some clue what they are learning, and what weeks 9, 10, 11, and 12 will reveal about the problem. Around week 4 this was a PR disaster and the silence is speaking even if they aren’t.
Well, the aerospace industry is not really known for moving quickly... But then Boeing collects a paycheck either way, so they don't seem to be in any particular hurry.
But I don't know, I'm not sure it's a pr disaster, I mean it's no worse than it usually is up there. We've had a Soyuz that sprang a leak and started venting atmosphere. We've had random helium leaks into crew compartments. We've run out of working eva suits. We've had resupply missions that never actually made it all the way to orbit, we've had a lot of non-critical internal equipment failures.
It's a real challenge keeping everything working, this is just one example of how things can go wrong. (Though admittedly, not a lot has really ever gone right with Starliner.)
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Boeing doesn’t listen to their engineers, but we’re supposed to listen to their marketing department.
Yeah, I am seriously upset. NASA press office seems to be telling lies left and right, and they think they're just pulling the old Washington spin cycle, but it's obvious lies. And they're easy out of line.
They issued a 248k "emergency" engineering study contract to SpaceX to support extra pax on the dragon. NASA press office claimed this award had absolutely nothing to do with Crew Test, but this was immediately contradicted by anonymous internal sources.
Heads need to roll at NASA PAO.
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Two "not stranded" astronauts becoming increasingly stranded. More at 6
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