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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/26211900

[Transphobia Warning] Nutomic’s Stance on Transgender People

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Why do they go through the effort of banning people from individual communities when site banning should be enough? It honestly just comes across as vindictive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Just like when hexbear.net called them out on different terrible takes (ie what counts as csam and other awful mods)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I just got banned from [email protected] for posting that screenshot

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

general rule of thumb is that if you see a .ml community there's always a better one on another domain even if there's not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I will be joining in :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Linux doesn’t seem like the correct community for it but it could’ve been deleted it’s so weird they would ban you for that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I mean to say that I posted the screenshot from the original post

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

This is very disappointing. I'm glad lemmy is federated and open source, so that I don't have to endorse or support every single view of the creator to use it.

Nutomic's view is very misguided. The section of the bourgeouisie that expresses support for trans people often do so out of opportunism (though some probably genuinely support it They're human after all). The fact that transphobia is still rampant should be proof of the lack of an "agenda". And what is this agenda about anyways? Acceptance? Or are people really still thinking that there's a push to turn cis people trans the same way we have done the reverse since forever?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I know that I shouldn't, but...

Off-topic: why Nutomic's comment is idioticIt's a big false dichotomy.

As a class, the bourgeoisie only cares about staying in power. Everything else from its PoV is fluff, to be situationally used or opposed.

And that applies to the trans cause. The bourgeoisie is weakly opposed to trans rights because they get in the way of reproductive labour (trans people are less likely to have children, so they aren't pumping out as many new proletariats as cis people do). However that opposition is not strong enough to make the bourgeoisie ignore pink money, since pink money is still money and money is still power under capitalism.

It's also worth noting that the bourgeoisie doesn't just compete for power with the other two classes (proletariat and petit-bourgeoisie) - it also competes internally. And for that, different factions within the class will seek external support from different groups, and align their discourses to those.

In that situation, what do you expect to see? The bourgeoisie flinging back and forth between lip service towards LGBTQ+ people+communities, and a transphobic discourse. Rainbow-wash something today (it's a cheap and effective marketing tactic!), go transphobic tomorrow; business A plops up a trans flag, business B tears it down. Flush, repeat.

And, well, it's exactly what you see here.

I also encourage specifically Trotskyists to read this text, as it explains way better than I could how the transgender agenda and class struggle are not orthogonal in nature. (Stalinists: be warned that Sybil Davis rambles quite a bit against Stalinism.)

And... on a moral level, let's be frank - you need to be inconsistent like a puddle of jelly, to be a communist but not defend trans rights. At the end of the day, what a good communist should defend is freedom of oppression; and what are those LGBTQ+ activists saying, if not "we don't want to be oppressed based on gender, sex and sexuality"? It's all about human rights dammit.


On-topic: I think that the "forums side of the Fediverse" (nowadays mostly Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin) would benefit immensely from additional platforms; that's why I'm excited for projects like PieFed and SubLinks. I am grateful for the Lemmy software but I can't help but see the people in charge of the project as a liability.

And they would still be a liability even if they had any skill building a healthy community (they don't, they suck at it). Relying on a single platform is like putting all your eggs within the same basket, once that basket goes down everything breaks.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

You cloud give mbin a try its developers are nice people :) Although there is only one app for it (interstellar)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Honest question: Why does it matter if he's a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use? The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance. I don't understand why his social views outside of sharing the software and protecting it from becoming proprietary matters when deciding what Fediverse software to use.

I'm not arguing my stance. I really want to understand what I might be missing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When people are successful, sometimes their ideas are too. They become a sort of standard, or justified. While I speak only for myself, I think some folks feel like if this guy's projects are successful he could use that success to oppres people. It happened to fluffy JK Rowling.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Honest question: Why does it matter if he's a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use?

  1. Because some people have actually financially supported him. I'm not trans, but I would be devastated to know that my money went to feed someone who wants to destroy me.
  2. I already have trouble convincing transgender people in my social circle that Lemmy as a software is safe for them to use even with the variety of trans-inclusive servers like yours, and will be safe and inclusive in the future.

A great example of (2) is the fate of PolyMC. Thankfully, the other developers forked it into Prism, but transphobia put that whole project in jeopardy for a bit.

The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance.

IMO that's why I'm not immediately dropping my account and running for the hills, but it's still not good. Most people don't have the technical skills or the interest in learning them to run their own instance.

I really want to understand what I might be missing.

IMO it's that even though he does not personally control how Lemmy instances are run, and even though we do have a good degree of robustness to transphobia because the software is FOSS, it is still both morally and technically ill-advised to have a transphobe at the helm of an open-source software project.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because he's the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse. Sure, some may notice immediately, but others won't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Because he's the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse.

This can be done by anyone, and applies to any platform. It's not a problem unique to Lemmy.

I also don't see how transphobia and backdooring everyone are at all related.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The developer is expressing their opinion on their instance using their software. The beauty of federation and the software he has crrated is that you can build a community that you want.you never have to interact with or his instance.

This post is drama for the sake of drama.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

He receives thousands of dollars in donations to make the software. I’d rathe people start supporting software developers made by non bigots

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (9 children)

The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised.

I don't intend that to be snarky, more jokey. But, yeah, it's pretty much common knowledge. Not the first time they've expressed unpleasant opinions on the subject, though not quite this bluntly. There was a minor kerfluffle over it not too long after the reddit exodus.

And it isn't unexpected tbh, that's a pretty bog standard tankie take, if perhaps a tad more trope filled.

To me, lemmy is kinda like a less important version of the Apollo missions. You put up with someone unpleasant because they can get the job done, until things get to the point it can be done without them. German scientists, tankie devs. Yeah, yeah, von Braun wasn't a "real" nazi; whatever.

At some point, either lemmy gets enough movement to get a less extreme team on board, it gets forked, or something else comes along.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

that ~~post~~message from nutomic is a classic demonstration of the horseshoe theory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

@xnx PieFed won’t have an app any time soon due to the way it’s implemented. It’s still awesome without a native app because it’s fast and doesn’t really need direct access to hardware to do its thing.

Tech detail: PieFed is a Python app using Flask and server-side rendered HTML templates. It is super fast as there’s no heavy Javascript framework being used. The maintainer has written about how PieFed is developed with poor internet connections in mind: https://piefed.social/post/6102

@fediverse

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