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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

skill issue

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.

Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.

Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@Coreidan @PeterPoopshit ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Don't give it internet access during setup.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not op. I installed windows 10 on my custom built desktop and my kids custom built desktop, on VM, etc. Have not had a problem and it was pretty simple overall. I'm sure some folks do have issues, though. Shit happens. Is windows 11 shittier for install? I've never had the desire to try :)

I've also installed various Linux distros on the above and a few other computers (Mint, Nobara, Fedora). Aside from Mint not working with my AMD RX 6600, no problems there either, really. And these distros installed easily.

Again, ymmv. I knew Mint would probably fail because the 5.19 kernel does not seem to like my GPU. That's why I switched to Nobara in the first place (iirc the 6.x kernel wasn't available at the time)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like you have never installed linux

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Windows 10 LTSC is the way to go if you absolutely have to use Windows, I'd love to use Linux on my gaming rig but Assetto Corsa + my simracing hardware doesn't play nice at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm upvoting this because it's hilarious, but on a serious note, installing windows is so easy my granny could do it.

The only thing, and I assume that's where you struggled, is sometimes the formatting of the hd doesn't want to work. In that case, a quick google will help you out, but also just format it quickly with diskpart and continue the installation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This person is either cursed or idk what they were trying to do. Installing Windows literally couldn't be easier, you don't even need to think about partitions, you can just let it create them itself.

I reinstall Windows every cca. 6 months to clear all the bloat i pick up, it's really not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it's bad

If you're on the happy path all is well. The smoothest shit ever. If you turn onto the unhappy path.. oh boy. Helpful logs? Useful community posts from SMEs? Meh no. Best I can do is a plate of irrelevant copy-pasta on a malware-ridden site, SEOd to the top.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ROFL, I like Linux, but if you can't install windows 11 easily. The problem isn't win11...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The problem is you cursed somebody out on Xbox Live in 2018 and now your Microsoft account is banned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Windows 11's installer is a mess on anything but the most vanilla hardware configurations.

For example, I am unable to install Windows 11 on my PC because, for some infuriating reason, it keeps trying to install its bootloader on my SATA HDDs instead of the NVME drive I explicitly tell it to install onto, and then failing. It doesn't seem like there's any way forward except to physically disconnect all my SATA drives before installing. One of these days I might need Windows enough to go to that trouble, but right now I'm happy enough single-booting Linux.

Never mind the artificial limitations on TPM configurations. I didn't need to edit my BIOS settings to install Linux, but Windows threw a little fit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's definitely more frustrating. I've had a similar experience trying to help people with their Windows PCs. Thankfully I've managed to convince a few to switch to Linux Mint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it feels like i'm still in /g/ with these types of posts

you went on a tirade about "windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best" without giving us any relevant information to help you with your "issue", other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should've told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.

also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows "just works". it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it's that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you're fucking up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Builds New PC -> Can't even start Steam

Somehow I don't think the problem is Windows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Do you struggle dressing yourself too? Lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would reccommend you to not install W11, but install W10 instead. It's more stable with all sorts of hardware.

Also this could indicate an issue with the drive you're going to install the OS on. Could you run some checks on the disk itself for failed sectors?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It worked fine on Arch. I finally found a flash drive and filesystem combination that the windows installer would both see and install when I put the manufacturer's Windows 11 64 bit ahci drivers on. It was a scandisk usb 3.0 mini thumb drive and ntfs in case anyone was wondering. I have 7 other usb flash drives at my disposal, most of them I could see but not install the drivers and I tried ntfs, exfat and fat32 before giving up on each flash drive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Windows has it's serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What were you doing? The windows 11 install is so simple compared to even the windows 7 one. Where you messing with things to bypass the Microsoft login or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, its a b650 motherboard and the windows installer didn't even have the right nvme ahci drivers for it. I tried about 8 different flash drives and fat32,exfat and ntfs until I found one that the windows installer would actually install the drivers with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm really surprised at how much people are ripping on Linux here at lemmy. It's completely justified, I agree that Linux still needs some polish in a few areas before it can REPLACE windows, but I would've figured lemmy to be a bit more... I dunno red pilled and biased towards Linux.

I daily Fedora for ALL my games pretty much, save for Metro Redux: Enhanced Edition and SteamVR titles. Games with anticheat that don't work on Linux? I don't play them anymore, if they don't wanna play ball that's fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean OP is trying to paint Linux as the more user friendly system and I think we can all agree that's BS.

Linux has many advantages. User Friendliness is not one of them

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