A lot of people just aren't aware of how fast AI is moving. AI voices were pretty meh earlier this year. A lot of people working on the audiobook/voice acting scene have been talking about this though.
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2023
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I recommend everyone to check the YouTube channel "two minute papers" who have being doing videos about papers on AI for the last 10 years on so to see the accelerated progress AI have. Like 5 years ago those images generating AI looked like LSD infused dreams and now they look almost perfect.
I wish I could watch his videos but the way he talks is awful. It's like some exaggerated evolution of YouTube talk.
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Ah yes, Audio AI. I can't wait for this rapidly-approaching future where you literally won't be able to trust the validity of anything your senses tell you anymore
"Text was never trustworthy."
-- Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln was a smart man
Ahead of his time too:
Nobody lies on the internet
-Abraham Lincoln
Truly one of the wisest men to ever live
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Imagine the day when people post videos of the president saying literally anything with pitch perfect audio voice synth
Imagine going to prison for a generated clip of you confessing to a crime.
Once the tech is that good, a recording of your confession will be useless as evidence in court.
...but it is already that good? The fact that celebrities are having to come out and say it wasn't them in an ad is proof enough that it can fool people
You only need to fool a jury
Then we'll have to take more care with how jury trials are conducted. It's always been possible to fool juries, that's often a lawyer's entire strategy.
That got me thinking about when we'll hear the first case of AI generated security camera footage used to frame someone. Which leads me to wonder when it will be standard procedure for cameras to digitally sign their footage.
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Everything will be useless in court. Audio evidence? Worthless. Video evidence? Worthless. Physical evidence? Prove that it wasnt planted. That kind of AI is a fucking nightmare and no one really understands the danger that kind of AI poses.
AI can't tamper with physical evidence. It can't fake financial records or witness testimony. Many kinds of audio and visual recordings will still have sufficient authentication and chain of custody to be worthwhile.
The main kind of evidence that these AI generators makes untenable are the ones where someone just shows up and says "look at this video of X confessing to Y that I happen to have," which was never a particularly good sort of evidence to base a court case on to begin with.
Witness testimony is already a very unreliable source of evidence. And again, evidence can be planted. Hell there was doubt about the chain of custody before AI could just make up audio and video. The validity of the chain of custody boils down to the cops and government in general being trusted enough to not falsify it when it suits them.
Sufficiently advanced AI can, and eventually will, be capable of creating deepfakes that cant reliably be proven to be false. Every test that can be done to authenticate that media can be used by the AI to select generated media that would pass scrutiny in principle.
I love the optimism and I hope you're right but I don't think you are. I think that deepfake AI should scare people a whole lot more than it does.
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Or imagine politicians like Trump saying the most heinous stuff and then denying it saying it's fake or AI. How will people know? You won't even be able to trust your eyes or ears anymore.
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Soon the schizophrenics will become neuro-typical
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I want TTS made better with AI so that I won't need huge audiobooks filling up my phone. The epubs that I already have would serve as audiobooks when needed.
If your phone is rendering TTS on the fly that's probably going to be a drain on battery.
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As someone who only consumes books in audiobook form this is great news for me, I tried to listen to some automatically generated audio books around 2 years ago and I found them horrible to listen to just because they sounded so off.
I'd love to be able to copy in the text of a book and get actually listenable (is that a proper word?) audiobook out of the other side for some books that will just simply never be recorded by actual people due to being too old / obscure.
I've been wanting to be able to listen to the Pelucidar books for years but they just don't exist in audio format, is there somewhere publically available that I can do this?
I would guess there is a LOT of work going into each voice. Playing with different parameters and prompts. I don't think it's as simple as just copying the text into a box. Not yet at least :)
That's a good thought there though. Audiobooks could have each character voiced uniquely.
This is literally the only upside I see from this.
One of the Dune audio books started off as multiple voices and then part way through it was finished by just one guy. Really impressed with it at first, and then really kind of debuffed by it. I had already read the book years before so it wasn't a big deal, but like wtf?
Lol what a troll audio book.
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Just curious, but how come you only consume books in audio format? (Please forgive me if this was rude to ask.)
I can't speak for OP but I do this as well. For me it's because I listen to them on the drive to/from dropping my kids off at school and I'll have it playing while I'm working or playing a game.
As someone who would like to do this, how well do you actually pay attention to what is going on? I'd do so much more reading if I didn't have to go back and reread paragraphs several times over because I simply can't pay attention, let alone if I'm doing something else entirely
It depends. It definitely is easy to get distracted and need to rewind but I found that happens much less often than with sitting down and reading in text form.
Its a solid solution and I recommend you give it a try.
AudiobookBay and youtube have tons of books
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Not OP, but I almost exclusively read novels and non fiction via audiobooks. For context, Iβm on pace for 70 books this year.
My main reason for audiobooks is I having a driving commute. Two hours a day round trip. Audiobooks keep me sane in a way that podcasts or music do not. I also do audiobooks when doing chores around the house.
Second, I struggle to focus on reading a book on my phone. Too many distractions and I think the reading experience is subpar. I do have an eInk reader, but I havenβt charged it in years because itβs easier to do audiobooks.
Physical books are rare in my home, but thatβs a self-reinforcing cycle since I enjoy audiobooks so much.
I like to read books before bed, but need darkness for a while before I have any chance of going to sleep, so me and my wife listen to 45min of audio book a night before going to sleep. Plus when we listen together there is no need to worry about getting ahead of each other and spoiling stuff.
I read books in other scenarios but that ritual is by the most time I have for reading and the most consistent as well.
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Not rude at all, similar to the other responses people have given but it oa two fold really. Firstly I just don't do well with sitting and reading a book, I get bored very quickly, can't concentrate on what is happening and start re-reading sentences or pages over and over where I am not paying attention properly. Additionally after only a couple of pages it will start putting me to sleep, I guess my attention span is just not sufficient for this form of media.
As a result I never read any books until I discovered audiobooks and my love for them, I honestly just disregarded books as a form of entertainment and thought they were a waste of time until discovering this way to consumer them which wasn't until I was in my early 30s.
On top of that I now listen to them mostly at work, I work with industrial machines and the work is repetitive as fuck and having a book to listen to makes the time go a lot faster and in a lot more interesting manner. Consequently I now love books and will listen to between 6 and 10 hours a day and now listen to them when I'm doing things like cooking, cleaning or running when I am not at work.
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Well you can always pay someone to read it for you. Blind people do that.
Are any of these books public domain? If so the print version could be eligible for inclusion at Project Guttenberg. PG has very specific docs about eligibility for this. You could probably get a scan from archive.org if you don't have one. You would have to clean up the OCR by hand.
Then it would eligible to be requested from the volunteer (human) readers who have been pumping out Libra audio books for years at LibriVox.
Recently I saw Gutenberg has a collab. They are producing and distributing Libre guidebooks generated by AI. I believe I read on one of the pages they have 4000 done. I haven't tried it out but I guess I should.
Project Gutenberg, Microsoft, and MIT have worked together to create thousands of free and open audiobooks using new neural text-to-speech technology and Project Gutenberg's large open-access collection of e-books. This project aims to make literature more accessible to (audio)book-lovers everywhere and democratize access to high quality audiobooks. Whether you are learning to read, looking for inclusive reading technology, or about to head out on a long drive, we hope you enjoy this audiobook collection.
I assume this is also a great benefit as fertilizer down at the old AI content farm which is otherwise totally run over with reddit shitposts.
If anyone tries it let me know how it goes.
The books I specifically mentioned are now public domain as they are old enough and librevox is where I actually started my audiobook (and books in general) journey. One of them is on there but it is only the second book of what is a 5 or more book series which is kinda frustrating.
The volunteer readers are very hit and miss however and I find that more than half are just not listenable for me due to different reasons from poor actual recordings, poor reading ability by the reader with excessive pauses added "errs and ummms" to mispronunciation of words constantly. These are pedantic reasons maybe and I throw no shade over it to the people that have volunteered their time to read these books but I just can't listen to them personally for the same reason I could never get through any amount of time with a robotic text to speech program of the past.
I'll look into the project Gutenberg thing however, thanks for making me aware of it and see what is up with that :)
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That sounds pretty cool, though I'd be concerned it will suffer from the classic problem of current AI (...and humans, but that's by the by) of confident incorrectness. Like an automatic transmission can miss meanings and types of context that a human will spot, programmatically generating speech can probably mess up punctuation and flow - even the way a human reader sometimes will get part way through a sentence and realise they need to start again for it to come out right.
That said, I can't see it being a big problem for most works, just unfortunate here and there. For once it seems an AI application short on downsides! (Except for the usual economic ones for many people previously trained in the field.)
There was a fairly big 40K lore channel on YouTube with a rather good AI impersonation of David Attenborough's voice and narration style/scripting. However, I just went to check it, yet it must have recently gotten hit with a DMCA and taken down. A shame really. Though I never got into 40K lore before, or the 40K franchise in general, I am a big fan of David Attenborough, and so that ended up really drawing me in to a new literary universe. However, it was a big mistake by the YouTube creator to use the name and photo likeness of Attenborough in the branding, video titles, and thumbnail art on the channel. I think without pushing that line, the AI voice with a clear disclosure could have kept the channel under the legal radar.
- https://old.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/17b4t1v/attenborough_lore_shut_down/
- https://youtube.com/@AttenboroughLore
From the pinned comments made here, this looks to be the same creators new channel, now using a different voice, no longer based on any one real person:
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Iβve been getting into audiobooks in a big way recently. This is interesting but somehow seems off to me. Maybe Iβll try listening to one and have my mind changed. Weβll see!
Because it has the potential to become actively harmful to the audiobook industry
And great for accesibility for people who can not read well.
why should i care about the audio book industry? The biggest player is Amazon, it doesn't add value to the art form, its just another way to become informed, and the more people who have that ability the better.
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A lot of audiobook voices are harmful to the industry. Plenty of times I've listened to a book for ten minutes and said nevermind because the voice actor was terrible, making wet mouth sounds or their voice was just annoying or the audio quality was terrible.
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Audiobooks are offputting to me and I strongly prefer to read text, but this seems like a great thing overall for making books more accessible to people. More people experiencing a wider range of books is good.
Audiobooks have been a great coping mechanism for my ADHD, they've also made me a better driver.
For the latter, if I listen to my music I definitely feel a bit more aggressive, whereas if it's an audiobook (and I've given myself sufficient room), I'm much more forgiving.
For the former, I can mix them with menial tasks and it makes them so much more doable.
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There are also a few AI sung songs out there that are pretty good. Most of them sound pretty Autotuny, but to some extent, that can be a style. Aura, by Ghost, is a good example. If I didn't know it was ai, I would just think it was autotune.
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