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[–] [email protected] 153 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It’s reassuring if true, but Newsweek are a right-wing disinformation source. Perhaps they’re reporting this straight, or perhaps this is disinformation aimed at a specific goal. In any case, nothing from them should be taken at face value unless verified from a reputable source.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Huh, I had assumed Newsweek was mostly left, but it looks like you're correct:

Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Magazine
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

I haven't read it in over a decade though...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

FWIW, I had a subscription over a decade ago. I can't say I ever thought of it as "Left", it was at best, corporate center. But it definitely has gone more right as it has also gone more sensationalist. They partnered with Daily Beast for a while, and then were sold to IBT media, an international "news and Information" conglomerate. I think your memories are from the old hard journalism days, and they have gone back to corporate, but corporate-right.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I could have sworn previously that maggot chuds used to call it NewsWeak. Guess new ownership had different plans

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

You can assume a right-center bias for almost any outlet, and I think mediabiasfactcheck needs to recalibrate, if we are being honest. See their assessment of NYT, as a for instance.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago

It is disinformation. The data from the poll they are referencing was mostly completed before the assassination attempt: https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling (Archive Link)

The latest data was collected Friday through Sunday, meaning most responses were gathered before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I’m guessing it’s too early for polls to actually tell. It comes around the same time as the RNC, so even if his numbers go up, it may be hard to tell what is responsible

[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Be sure to vote as if polls don’t exists.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Im voting for not trump. Hopefully at some my in my lifetime my vote will actually count.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I hope that happens as well. But for now, we have to stop the bleeding.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Very good advice.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

You mean the media and pundits were wrong? Shocker.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago

We need to worry about motivation, not polls. Very few people will change their minds about the candidates, but many of them will change their minds about voting. Some percentage of likely voters will always stay home. That percentage is going to be much lower for people whose candidate survived an assassination attempt.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because literally, more than half the country wishes he didn’t miss.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And exactly half of Tenacious D, apparently

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Wait, what?

Edit: disregard, I was behind on the news apparently

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Rage Kage said something dumb about it and now Jaybles doesn't want to work with him anymore

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

I don't think that's what went down, I think they're just doing PR damage control behind closed doors. I don't think this has actually effected their relationship. Jack Black is definitely not a supporter of trump at least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

KG solo tour when

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

lol the people shielding him with their bodies, choosing to die for him, would be among the first to get fired if he were to win. along with every other single secret service in charge of the event that day

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

A Bible minute, for your Christian friends who might be voting for Trump.

Revelation 13 "The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months [or three and a half years...my note]."

(I am not saying this is some prophecy fulfilling event. I'm just saying if your friends are voting for Trump and they're Christians, perhaps this scripture might cause them to think twice before voting for the Antichrist. Just might want to mention it to them.)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I gotta tell you, as a guy who was deeply in this muck, they give ZERO shits what the Bible says. I wouldn't bother with engaging in the theology.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is a fun read if you haven't seen it. It hasn't been updated since before the 2020 election. It's a wild ride......

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

We REALLY need the part 2 of that

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Deep down, a lot them seem to be just fine with accelerating/bringing about the supposed eschaton. Look at the way they stroke off to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

True, but they've GOTTA be uncomfortable telling God they voted for Satan.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

iirc there was something about plagues of locusts in there too. The big chungus locusts are extinct (and fuck 'em) but this year is the height of the 17 year cicada breeding cycle.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

We just had an attack of Mormon crickets out west too

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Polls don't mean shit until right before an election...and even then they're suspect.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They're still talking about his rigged 2020 was rigged.

Trump wanted investigations into 2016, and he won!

100% 2024.... RIGGED!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Yes, they'll say it was rigged no matter what. What matters is who actually ends up in office on Jan. 20th.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I believe, in this election, with two unfavorable candidates, everything is already baked in. There's very little to move the needle at this point.

Biden screws the pooch during a debate? Polls still show him leading by a point or two, but within the margin of error. Trump gets nearly assassinated? Same, Biden leading by a not statistically significant number.

This election is going to be a squeaker, and we're going to see unrest either way. We need a blowout to avoid that, and it's not happening.

Edit: last poll I read had Biden leading. Either way doesn't change what I said.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is Biden shown leading? I only see doom and gloom posted here. Agreed on the need for a blowout, though. We need to show the world we categorically denounce the far right, and that looks unlikely even if Biden wins.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Biden is absolutely not leading. State polling has him behind in every swing state. Nate Silver's model gives Biden a 30% chance of winning, slightly down from the debate.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Polls are bullshit anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Here we go again with the "too soon to have collected enough data" bullshit...

Just like immediately after the debate "nO cHaNgEs To PolLs" and then days later he started dropping... Because you know... Time and all that...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As much as I want this to be true, this is straight up misinformation at this moment.

The poll they are referencing is this one: https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-presidential-election-polling (Archive link)

Under "In this tracker"

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Trump maintains lead: Trump continues to lead Biden by 2 percentage points, 44% to 42%, unchanged from the previous week and superior to his standing in the lead-up to the first 2024 presidential debate, when the candidates were tied. The latest data was collected Friday through Sunday, meaning most responses were gathered before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania.

I don't see any polls listed out here either that have been able to do a complete poll since the assassination attempt:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's also strange that the number of participants doesn't match up. Newsweek says 2,045 but your link says 2,203. Of course we would know what the issue is if they left a link to the poll rather than a vague description.

It seems like you're right though and this is bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

He did get a rousing endorsement from the Nashville Nazis tho which is all he ever wanted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Polls are extra meaningless this election. No one is undecided between the Toupee and Biden. If there's any indecision on either side, it's between voting for the party's nominee or not voting in the presidential election.

Which is why it continues to baffle that the Democratic campaign strategy has been mostly if not entirely "I'm not quite as bad as the Other Guy!"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

He should just get convicted again. That worked out well for him the last time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Because it doesn't change anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Trolls in shambles right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe his polls will actually start going down because people are afraid he has a traumatic brain injury. Look at the blood coming out of his head. That plus possible PTSD is very understandable.

It's unfortunate, but maybe he should step down so Republicans can run someone else. Trump already had some mental problems and a bullet to the head doesn't help. Blood coming from his head or his wherever isn't good.

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