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Sometimes, violence is the only way to stop fascists. See: WW2
I mean that's kinda like, 50% antifa by way of fa hating fa, I guess.
I mean, the Eastern Front was just fascist infighting.
Those hexbears would be very upset if they could read
I’m what you can call undereducated on WWII, and current leaders, who are these men?
Left to right, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, and Joseph Stalin, leaders of the UK, USA, and USSR respectively.
Oh shit
Or as my friend once dubbed them, the supreme leaders of alcohols, wheelchairs, and mustache.
Sure, when fascism gets far enough, the only solution against it becomes violence. However, all that accomplishes is taking down specific fascists but not fascism itself as an ideology, and it will eventually return (see: WW2 and modern day politics).
B-b-but someone shot at him! That means he was right all along and you have to vote for him now! IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!
lol
Political violence IS bad, but for the same reason that violating a truce is bad. It's not always because the shot is unwarranted, but because of what the shot leads to. "You can't always give people what they deserve" kind of energy.
Sometimes there's no other reasonable choice, but normalizing or condoning it means opening up... well, open conflict. And you need to be pretty goddamn sure that there's no other viable option before you do that, unless you enjoy widespread devastation and the deaths of thousands of people at minimum, in which case you've been reading the Doctrine of Fascism's musings on struggle and need to go home and rethink your life.
I've literally just been told we can't call someone a fascist and then say not to kill them in the same breathe. That's the facts.
I guess this is how all these dumb 'polite society' rules are thought up.
Two Fascists.
JD Vance is as bad a pick as they come.
Political violence has been continuously and systemically inflicted on the working class and otherwise marginalised people for profit for centuries, you considering it being aimed towards head fascist a problem, is telling on yourself, and on where your allegiances lie - firmly and actively on the side of fascism.
The only one you're fooling is yourself.
How come Trump isn't in prison then if violence is so bad? That monster moved waves of people to kill for him and destroyed countless lives even before ever becoming president. And now that his crimes can no longer be hidden or defended the supreme court rules him immune from the law. There is no peaceful status quo to go back to, we're way past that point! He continues to openly contribute and endorse mass murder and we still pretend like there's some peace to go back to, it's too late. Trump and his cabal have destroyed all semblance of "rule of law", they established that might makes right and thus no law can be used to stop him.
Weird. These aren't related choices and this feels like virtue signaling. Seeing so much of this. We get it, you think you're a great person.
Why is there some weird sudden concern that violence against an individual might have made you change your vote and so people feel a need to point out this doesn't change how they'd vote.
So strange.
Because politcal violence is a hallmark of fascists, and a lot of people are becoming aware of that
"we are in the midst of a second revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it"
But sure, advocating for political violence is bad.
Hold on, let me ask my grandfather how he felt about political violence against fascists during his Normandy to Berlin tour.
Yeah, ask your grandpa how much he enjoyed the violence of war.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
Violence is permissible when one is at threat of harm be it through social, economic, or direct violence. Meaning that the bludgeoning a pacifist for trying to fuck you over economically is just as valid as gutting someone trying to stab you. But said actions must be taken with wisdom and consideration though. The casus belli for common folks is written in blood, it was written at Blair mountain, at Stonewall, at Tulsa. Its stimply a matter of finding the right time.
isn't political violence our main export?
Not only that, it's how we gained our independence. We celebrate political violence very year on July 4. A lot of people think the Second Amendment exists so people are able to commit political violence.
Over the past couple days I've heard a lot about how unacceptable violence is, and that's fine, but if violence is never an acceptable option we have to make sure we have non-violent ways of resolving conflicts. I think the unspoken part of this plea for non-violence is that it's better for conflicts to go unresolved than for them to be resolved through violence. I'm just not sure that's a viable solution. In fact, that's the opposite of a solution. I think these conflicts are going to resolve themselves one way or another, eventually.
What's a non-violent way to stop fascists for individuals?
Voting.
It REALLY is that simple, folks. No need to tie oneself into chaotic mental knots. You have ALL the information that you need to:
TUNE OUT, TURN OUT AND VOTE
EDIT: it's the only healthy way left for voters.
Why tune in to shrill hysteria because someone somewhere told somebody that "it's information... stay informed" and they all decided to go along with it?
Don't play that game, we all lose. Tune out and forget about it, find peace, avoid it like the plague, until Super Tuesday in November, when you quietly go to the polls and VOTE Democrat.
When the system is corrupt at every level you can encounter, removing the leader of that system is only a small part of the remediation that should be undertaken
Ww2 was politically driven violence. It was mostly justified to stop Hitler. The bombing civilians part wasn't, but the only way to stop Hitler was politically driven violence.
It seems there's been this "Oh saying Fascism is bad promotes violence!" attitude, and a lot of Center Leaning shows are being pulled for being "Too left leaning"
This BB Gun and Ketchup Packet routine is really gonna be the reichstag fire eh?
Ugh
Some people legit seem to think that the main problem with political violence is that only one side is doing it. Like wtf?
Name five democrats that shot assault rifles at people.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.