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The incident in northern California marked the latest mishap blamed on the electric vehicle company's Autopilot tech

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Musk did prove he doesn't know what a train is

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

That's too funny.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Was the driver asleep or something? The car drove quite a bit on the tracks... sure, blame Tesla all you want (and rightly so), but you can't really claim today that the car has "autopilot" unless you're hunting for a lawsuit. So what was the driver doing?

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

That's what I was thinking, your car starts doing something fucking stupid and you just let it?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Elon take the wheel

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Well what's the point of self driving if you can't have a wank on the drive home?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I can tell you wank with your eyes closed :D

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

It's hard to tell who's worse at driving. Tesla owners or their auto pilot

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who needs a driver? This car has AUTOPILOT.

But seriously, Tesla "autopilot" is nothing more than a cruise control you have to keep an eye on. Which means, it's NOT "autopilot." This technology is not ready for the real world. Sooner or later, it's going to cause a major, horrible accident, involving dozens or people. Musk has enough connections to avoid any real-world consequences but maybe enough people will get over their child-like worship of billionaires and stop treating him like he's the next Bill Gates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Somewhat ironically, autopilot for airplanes is more less attitude/speed holding for most history. More modern systems can now autoland or follow a preprogrammed route (the flight plan plugged into the FMS), but even then changes like TCAS advisories are usually left up to the pilots to handle. Autopilots are also expected to give control to the pilots in any kind of unexpected situation.

So in a way tesla's naming here isn't so off, it's just the generic understanding of the term "autopilot" that is off somewhat. That said, their system is also not doing much more than most other level 2 ADAS systems offer.

On the other hand, Elon loves going off about Full Self Driving mode a lot, and that's absolutely bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

California, so I'm I'm guessing the driver was getting head at the time whilst drinking beer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

He was focusing on the caboose

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Even if asleep, how do you sleep through that? Would be super bumpy.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Autopilot was in TRAINing mode

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And it has a great TRACK record in training mode.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

It certainly was CHUGGING ALONG nicelly.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago

Not surprising, considering Tesla autopilot sees trains as a bunch of semis bumper to bumper.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The locomotives yearn for the tracks

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Further proof that America needs to invest in electrified rail

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

All the "self driving" cars are trying to evolve into proper trams and railways

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (5 children)

This is that "AI" that investors keep jerking themselves purple over.

Real "Self driving cars" will not be available in our lifetimes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

self-driving vehicles have existed for decades, and they are very safe.

They are trains 🚊 / trams 🚋

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (11 children)

I don't believe that. Based on how far AI has come in the recent years I think it's only a matter of time before someone (other than Tesla) manages to do it well.

The biggest problem with the Tesla Auto pilot is Elon. Just the fact that he insists on using only camera-based vision because "people only need their eyes to drive" should tell you all you need to know about their AI.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Someone accidentally included Back to the Future 3 footage in the training data.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

But only the very last scene

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Aww, it want to be train, let it be train.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

How cute, it trainsitioned

TRAINSITIONED, CORAL

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Choo Choo! Morherfuckers!!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

This sounds like a metaphor for Elon endorsing Trump.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Driver: no Tesla that's not a road!

Tesla: YOLO!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Roads really need a standard for sensors specifically for autopilots.

GPS and cameras reading lines, signs ,and lights aren't good.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

Yeah, like a digital "ideal line" that the cars can follow.

Maybe even a physical guiding line.

We could even connect all the cars via WLAN (WiFi) to exchange info when they are braking and accelerating. That would increase efficiency.

Maybe we could even connect them physically to have a stronger engine pulling more cars more efficiently.

If we already have an ideal guiding line, we might actually save some asphalt and make the roads more optimised. Use different materials so the tyre particles don't pollute as much.

Ah, let's just build a train.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or just fund public transportation instead :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Autopilot buses could use this too.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I don't want to waste any more tax money trying to make one of the least effecient modes of transport more autonomous. Just build an electricrfied tram if thats what you want.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Eventually a great idea, but that's not rolling out particularly soon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Hyperloop 2.0

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

News tomorrow: Police department retracts statement after Elon Musk lawsuit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Isn't it the responsibility of the driver during autopilot?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Human drivers have done this before. Navigation system says "turn right", they don't realise it means after the level crossing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hello Tesla PR department.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just don't understand how someone can read all the warnings, get a driver's license (implying their knowledge of the rules of the road) and presumably have years of driving experience and magically think it's ok to just stop paying attention.

It doesn't matter if the car fully promotes itself as self driving, it doesn't matter if the laws surrounding it still require you to be present and in control.

It's no different than 1000hp cars, just because the car is marketed as such, doesn't magically make it legal to go 200mph.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't understand why people would think that a feature called "full self-driving" is capable of fully driving the car itself?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I think it’s every responsible driver’s duty not to buy a Tesla!

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