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[–] [email protected] 130 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And this is why I don't have ANY moral qualms about pirating shit: they'd do it to us in a heartbeat if there was a buck to be made.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago

They would?? They are**

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Pirating Windows for your own personal, private use, which will never directly make you a single dollar: HIGHLY ILLEGAL

Scraping your creative works so they can make billions by selling automated processes that compete against your work: Perfectly fine and normal!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

bunch of fuckin art pirates. crying about software piracy while they have their own bots pirating everyone's art.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Sure bud, pirating some Microsoft Studio video games and windows ISOs right now. What? I found them on the open web!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly just pirate their games since they keep buying every fucking studio they can get their grummy hands on

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean, Xbox one/series recently got proof of concept jailbreak, so... I think many people are on board with your thought

[–] [email protected] 83 points 4 months ago

DMCA for them, no DMCA for us.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago

You're always morally justified to steal from Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So if I see it on the “open web”, I’m free to use it however I please? Oh, I get thrown in jail and everything I own taken away.

If companies are people per “citizens united”, why doesn’t the same apply to them?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (6 children)

so we can steal Microsoft's products?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes. Exactly. Although there isn't much left worth stealing from Microsoft.

(This was a low-key "Microsoft bad, Linux supreme", comment.)

(And now it's no longer low-key.)

(I'm using a touch-screen keyboard for writing this. And yet I can't open my doors using the keyboard. Ever wondered why that is?)

(Correct, because I forgot my keys at home and didn't put them on my keyboard.)

(Now it's just a –board.)

(Oral diarrhea over. Go get some guhd Linux!)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the year of the linux desktop!

By our powers combined, we'll exceed 2% market share!

(no actually, please support linux. I just switched like a month ago and while it's so much better than windows there are so many petty annoyances that will never get resolved unless more people bitch about it and that kind of support needs more users)

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago

In other news: we have lawyers to protect our copyrights, you don't. Suck it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It's okay to plagiarize books if they're in a library.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

"Copying is theft" is the argument of corporations for ages, but if they want our data and information, to integrate into their business, then, suddenly they have the rights to it.

If copying is not theft, then we have the rights to copy their software and AI models, as well, since it is available on the open web.

They got themselves into quite a contradiction.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of AI but I'm generally of the view that anything posted on the internet, visible without a login, is fair game for indexing a search engine, snapshotting a backup (like the internet archive's Wayback Machine), or running user extensions on (including ad blockers). Is training an AI model all that different?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Issue is power imbalance.

There's a clear difference between a guy in his basement on his personal computer sampling music the original musicians almost never seen a single penny from, and a megacorp trying to drive out creative professionals from the industry in the hopes they can then proceed to hike up the prices to use their generative AI software.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

If the model isn't overfitted it's also not even copying. By their nature LLMs are transformative which is the whole point of fair use.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (6 children)

He spoke carelessly, but he didn't exactly say what the author said he said. You can in fact do many things with it. Copyright doesn't care what you do if you aren't copying. That's the definition of the word.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So I can pirate as many movies as I want as long as I'm only watching them?

Let these rich guys keep talking for a sec. I can get behind this somewhat.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Aight, I'ma steal leaked Windows XP source code :3

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

There is a thing called usage licenses.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

So its no longer intellectual property if its on the internet? The nerves on this guy...

So you could just copy and use every single helpful support article from Microsoft?

Oh shit, there aren't any

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Just yet another proof, that the more 0's you have in your valuation, the less the laws apply to you

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

Does Netflix count as the open web? It definitely feels like so, but I'm ready for a wealth hoarder to tell me otherwise!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Apparently he thinks data is like the ducks you find in the park

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wait, you can steal from those ducks?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No one ever tells you this, but you can just take the ducks. Just like with the city pigeons. Just make sure you don't take a government drone by accident.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Is his personal-information on the dark-web?

Is he saying that if his personal-information is on the dark-web, then it's perfectly-OK for everybody & their robot to be using it??

XOR is he saying that there are 2 kinds of law:

1 for protecting his entitlement,

the other for disallowing rights from the lives he consumes, through his beloved herd/corporation/pseudo-person?

( obviously, he's already answered the latter )

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Oh hey, Microsoft support moving away from copyright! Trollface

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's right, information wants to be free. Don't support stronger copyright just to spite people it'll benefit

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Essentially the joke everyone made about nfts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I think that with respect to content that’s already on microsoft.com, the social contract of that content since the ‘90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been “freeware,” if you like, that’s been the understanding.

Yeah, that's how I've always thought of it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Its not stolen if it is still there afterwards.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Copyright infrigment is not theft, training models is not copyright infringement either. We need a law equivalent to when an artist says "he's inpired by someone else" . That it specifically is illegal to do that without permission if you use a machine. That will force big tech to pay a pittance for it and it will instakill all the small player.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

You cant steal data. violating copyright (Which ai training does not do) is not theft.

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