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Edward Snowden wrote on social media to his nearly 6 million followers, "Do not ever trust @OpenAI ... You have been warned," following the appointment of retired U.S. Army General Paul Nakasone to the board of the artificial intelligence technology company.

Snowden, a former National Security Agency (NSA) subcontractor, was charged with espionage by the Justice Department in 2013 after leaking thousands of top-secret records, exposing the agency's surveillance of private citizens' information.

In a Friday morning post on X, formerly Twitter, Snowden reshared a post providing information on OpenAI's newest board member. Nakasone is a former NSA director, and the longest-serving leader of the U.S. Cyber Command and chief of the Central Security Service. He retired from the NSA, a position he held since 2018, in February.

Snowden wrote in an X post, "They've gone full mask-off: do not ever trust @OpenAI or its products (ChatGPT etc.) There is only one reason for appointing an @NSAGov Director to your board. This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on Earth." He concluded the post, writing, "You have been warned."

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Newsweek making it sound like Snowden is a James Bond villain issuing pronouncements from his skull-shaped island lair.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Fake new always trying to get the clickbait up the algo chain

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Posts like these really bring out the Nextdoor app type lemmy people. Everything's a conspiracy.

Point is it doesn't matter who they add to OpenAI, OpenAI is already a problem. There is no conspiracy, you missed the boat. Your data is already being scraped, traded and sold to the Nth degree by corporations, and the government just goes ahead and buys it instead of forming yet another agency to scrape it all themselves (yay, privatization?). OpenAI is just the next level of the same. Doesn't matter who is on the board, the damage has already been done. So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant - or at least nothing that the news hasn't been complaining about with the rampant theft of IP by AI makers for the last couple of years or more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Snowden just said that they had gone "mask-off" - so I think it was just aimed at those who still refuses to believe it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

exactly, anyone trusting AI companies in general beforehand and being swayed by this one statement from Snowden, doesn’t understand the technology or environment enough to be effectively skeptical in the first place.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thing is that Snowden isn't really a figure I think most people would listen to. I think he's cut off from any valuable information that would offer him anything groundbreaking to reveal and I think he's probably somewhat isolated in his current situation.

Edit: really? You downvoters just Snowden fans? Care to actually offer up a reason you think my comment isn’t right? Snowden is hiding out in a foreign country that has to keep him at arm’s length, trot him out when he’s useful, but not offer him access to anything actually important.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

You'd think the government couldn't just pay others to do stuff they're specifically not supposed to do themselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So Snowden is way behind the times and frankly his commentary is irrelevant

This is some heavy Dunning-Kruger.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really.

When was he relevant, again?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Depends. What is your working definition of "Relevant"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

How naive would you have to be to trust them anyway?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

"do not ever trust [insert large corporation]"

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

This actually makes me think OpenAI is a straight up scam; this is the Elizabeth Holmes strategy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I'd honestly be more worried about the NSA abusing OpenAI and not the inherent data collection which they already have access to anyway.

What if they target someone and give them a fake recipe for potato salad which turns out to be lethal.

Okay that's a dumb example, but do you get what I mean? They can arbitrarily send, insert, or delete data to a specific target if they want to. Would not be surprised if they already made their own in house tool for this like BeEF XSS to handle a bunch of targets at once.

I know the easy stupid solution to this is not to trust AI output in the first place, but people are lazy and dumb too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does trust even come into it ?

Is someone about to ask “hi please give me a checklist if things I must do to disassemble tyrannical power. You answer should be based on doing it next Thursday” … but shouldn’t, because the AI will snitch ?

No disrespect to Eduardo, but these appointments are for credibility and influence more than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

These appointments of credibility come with the appointees “Rolodex” and associations.

I can get in rooms you can’t because of who I know and who I’ve worked with, even if I’m not relevant to that work. I am relatively a nobody in comparison.

These appointees know who to know and who to talk to and more importantly are friendly and on a first name basis with them.

It’s more than just “clout”

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Strong down vote ratio...

Can't tell if "AI" bros or the spooks are butthurt today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There are a significant number of people who also really hate Snowden for various reasons (he's a traitor, he ran to Russia, etc.) and don't care whether or not he's making a good point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

He didn’t really choose Russia, it was the only country that would protect him from rendition.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not even that. He was headed to Cuba, the US government forced him to be in Russia.

"NSA leaker Edward Snowden got stuck at a Moscow airport after Cuba, feeling pressure from Washington, warned that it would not allow an Aeroflot flight from Russia to land in Havana if he were aboard"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

And sadly Cuba is all too aware of how petty the USA can be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not justifying their reasons, I'm just explaining that's what some of them say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh I know that Mr Squid. I was just adding some context. :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe at first it was a lack of options, but he's absolutely become a Russian asset since then. Doesn't mean he's wrong about OpenAI, but still.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's a Russian PR win, but I haven't seen him be especially pro-Putin or anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He's not overtly pro-putin, but he did accept Russian citizenship and was denying the possibility of Ukraine being invaded until like literally the day before the invasion started, which was long after it was obvious Russia was planning to invade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It's as if the dude is protecting his life or something, maybe if the US didn't want to basically kill him for exposing PRISM to the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I always find it hilarious for the reasons people hate snowden, like I'm sure it's pretty well known by know that he didn't choose Russia, the US forced him to become stuck there when they voided his passport, also idk how they consider revealing illegal crimes against the people as being a trader

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This kind of rhetoric is for conservatives / Trump supporters / conspiracy theorists.

The way he implies there's an agenda behind the hire without actually articulating it, the way he leads you on and then assumes you'll take the implication for granted, an unearned "this is a very bad thing!", capped with a cryptic "You've been warned!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure what your credentials are in the surveillance "business" but I bet he's seen, and experienced, even contributed to, sadly, a lot more than a random stranger on the Internet.

I don't like that he hints as scenario rather than being clear about it. I don't like that a lot of his posts are political and seeding doubts about institutions... yet, again, based on his CV, he's seen a lot more than anybody I know and thus his perspective, even his warnings, do matter.

I'll still draw my own conclusions, and keep learning about the topic, both the technology and who funds it, but yes I'll be more wary since his tweet.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This guy worked at the NSA for 15 months total over a decade ago. He's been an internet warrior in Russia since then. I'm not sure Snowden's got the credentials to make him a good source of info anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Maybe, but he's not wrong that appointing a former NSA director to the board of OpenAI sounds really bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Dude's an American hero!

Maybe you don't have the credentials to make an accurate assessment of his credentials

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I didn't trust Open AI before. But the the Kremlin signalling disapproval of it makes me slightly less distrustful.

Sure they still suck, but at least they're not on Putin's side.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

This is the correct answer whenever this Russian intelligence asset opens his mouth.