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Vladimir Putin said Russia and North Korea have ramped up ties to a “new level,” pledging to help each other if either nation is attacked in a “breakthrough” new partnership announced during the Russian president’s rare visit to the reclusive state.

Thousands of North Koreans chanting “welcome Putin” lined the city’s wide boulevards brandishing Russian and North Korean flags and bouquets of flowers, as Putin kicked off his first visit to North Korea in 24 years with a finely choreographed display of influence in the dictatorship.

The pair then signed the new strategic partnership to replace previous deals signed in 1961, 2000 and 2001, according to Russian state news agency TASS. “The comprehensive partnership agreement signed today includes, among other things, the provision of mutual assistance in the event of aggression against one of the parties to this agreement,” Putin said after the meeting.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Hot take, I doubt either of them would help the other out more than a symbolic gesture.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, they would. NK is already manufacturing weapons for Russia. And back in the Korean War, Soviet Russia provided weapons, aircraft, and pilots to North Korea. That's more or less what would happen again, I think.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

They are manufacturing lifts for eachother’s shoes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

But they don't do that for free.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Probably the two least reliable and most devious regimes in the world. They deserve each other as allies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

NK's narrative is that SK is separate from the one true Korea because it's occupied by, or at least heavily influenced by, the US. That means that if Russia were to, say, declare war on the US - however unlikely that might be - NK would theoretically be in favour.

Kim would almost certainly be interested in finally getting to lob a couple of bombs at an actual target.

Less seriously(?), you could also argue that Putin's pining for the glory days of the USSR with its empty stores and downtrodden, starving citizens fits right in with what's going on in NK, so perhaps Kim had better watch his back lest he become the former dictator of a new SSR.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That means that if Russia were to, say, declare war on the US - however unlikely that might be - NK would theoretically be in favour.

North Korea had a war with the US once, after they gambled incorrectly that the US would not respond to an invasion of South Korea. I doubt that Pyongyang would intentionally enter into another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

The bombing campaign destroyed almost every substantial building in North Korea. The war's highest-ranking U.S. POW, U.S. Major General William F. Dean, reported that the majority of North Korean cities and villages he saw were either rubble or snow-covered wasteland. Dean Rusk, the U.S. State Department official who headed East Asian affairs, concluded that America had bombed "everything that moved in North Korea, every brick standing on top of another." North Korean factories, schools, hospitals, and government offices were forced to move underground. In November 1950, the North Korean leadership instructed the population to build dugouts and mud huts and to dig tunnels, in order to solve the acute housing problem.

 By the end of the campaign, US bombers had difficulty in finding targets and were reduced to bombing footbridges or jettisoning their bombs into the sea.

In May 1951, an international fact finding team from East Germany, West Germany, China, and the Netherlands stated, "The members, in the whole course of their journey, did not see one town that had not been destroyed, and there were very few undamaged villages."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

NK has bodies, Putin needs soldiers...

NK needs food, supplies, technical knowledge on missile construction and of course nukes.

They can help each other plenty.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

What a pair they make.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Kim should check with Armenia how it works put to be in a bilateral security treaty with Russia and you get attacked.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“Oh yeah? Well I’ll make my own NATO. With blackjack! And hookers!”

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The fun part is Russia leads the CSTO, which is the same type of organization as NATO. However, three members have left it, including ~~Azerbaijan~~ Armenia just this year as Russia failed to hold up their commitment when Article 4 (equivalent to NATO's Article 5) was called when ~~Armenia~~ Azerbaijan took land Russia considered ~~Azerbaijan's~~ Armenia's in late 2022.

Edit: Flipped the names. They are now correct.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you have Azerbaijan and Armenia flipped.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah, crap, that I do. I should look at a map whenever I talk about them. It's stored in my head in this fashion:

  • Russia's buddy is in the west and gets disputed land taken by guy in the east.
  • Both countries start with 'A' and are near Turkey.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Russian equivalent of NATO

Doesn't actually follow their equivalent of Article 5

Sounds about right. But tbh I don't think Article 4 has been properly tested either.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Does air-dropping trash count as an attack?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Prepare the carcass.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Tl;Dr North Korean soldiers sent to the meat grinder in Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Imagine manacling yourself to a nuclear-armed rabid Chihuahua and being like "okay, you protect me. I'll protect you".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is this a back channel so China can use North Korea as a loading bay for its trade with Russia, which the US recently warned it to stop.

So plausible deniability insurance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Vlad looks like a tiny child. LMAO.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you see this anything other than Russian desperation you're a fool. Putin is afraid

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I just wonder what russians think about that. Are they like: well everyone hates us, but the north korean are on our side, so we're doing preeeeetty good i'd say

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Vladimir Putin said Russia and North Korea have ramped up ties to a “new level,” pledging to help each other if either nation is attacked in a “breakthrough” new partnership announced during the Russian president’s rare visit to the reclusive state.

Putin was met with exuberant celebrations at a welcome ceremony with his counterpart at Kim Il Sung Square in the heart of the North Korean capital, where mounted soldiers, military personnel and children holding balloons cheered against the backdrop of large portraits of the each leader.

Putin landed in North Korea in the early hours of Wednesday local time, exactly 24 years to the day he was last in Pyongyang, for a visit heralding the countries’ deepening alignment in the face of shared animosity toward the West and international concerns over their growing military cooperation.

In remarks ahead of talks between the two, Kim voiced his “full support and solidarity with the struggles of the Russian government, military and the people,” pointing specifically to Moscow’s war in Ukraine “to protect its own sovereignty, safety and territorial stability.”

The latest raft of diplomacy comes as shared frustrations with the West have driven the two countries closer – a trend observers say has now been accelerated by the war in Ukraine and has seen North Korea gain a powerful friend in the UN Security Council.

In March, Moscow vetoed a UN resolution to renew independent monitoring of North Korea’s violations of Security Council sanctions – raising concerns about the relationship weakening controls on Kim’s illegal weapons program.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Oh no! He switched from suck to blow!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago

Everything going according the plan, a New World Order..