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No you'd hope that his overall general shitty behaviour, litany of crimes, and being a fucking idiot would hurt him in the polls.
Idk why people would change their mind because of a conviction when it is already glaringly obvious that he has committed a shit ton of crimes.
The people he ordered to do crimes have already been tried and convicted for the crimes he ordered them to do yet he hasn't faced any consequences for those crimes that he ordered those people to do.
Lot of low-info people out there, though. They get told "both sides" narratives if they only pay attention marginally. BidenSoOld and Hunter had that laptop, too, so...they are more or less the same, right?
There are a good number of people that actually take the whole "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" thing all the way to its extreme. Even with glaringly obvious public evidence before that.
It is the foundation of our justice system, as much as some groups are trying to tear it apart, even from within in some cases.
Only the presumption of innocence by the court is important to our legal system. Anyone not part of the trial has no obligation to presume any defendant is innocent.
It's been made painfully clear this last decade or so that a lot of people are plain fucking stupid or incapable of making their own informed decisions, relying on paid media to tell them what to think following a specific narrative.
We've seen a lot of cases where people were villified by the media and then evidence turns up proving their innocence, or that the evidence we originally were presented was faked, out of context, or otherwise the opposite of what was claimed.
Just look at the recent back and forth both on social media and in "news" articles with that guy in Michigan and the suspended drivers license. It's went from a guy in Zoom court while driving on a suspended license, which seems to be pretty clear, and had people viewing the situation a certain way. Oh but then it was just a State clerical error from something that was supposed to be cleared 2 years ago, to maybe he never actually had a driver's license. So then what was actually suspended in the first place? And all that within just a couple days for a viral video.
We cannot simply trust the information we're given blindly online, we as individuals need to keep in mind that even though things may look one way, that there is a possibility we are getting incorrect info, even from a trusted source.
Those sound like good arguments to promote the idea of treating people like they're innocent until proven guilty. At least the courts have some standards.
They expect an ogre to drain the swamp. Ain't gonna happen.
Trump isn't an ogre because ogres have layers. Trump has no such depth.
Both things are true.
Polls don't mean squat.
Polls are not votes.
VOTE
Congratulations to the American electorate for maintaining the barest minimum standards! ...sorta...for now.
I think you and I define minimum standards very differently
Doesn't matter. Go out and vote. It's not 'everybody else's problem'. It's yours.
I would suspect it's low information voters.
Anyone who pays attention, and isn't part of his cult, realises how bad trump is. Unfortunately, a lot of voters just don't pay attention. To them, they seem mud slinging in both directions, and just tune it out.
A felony conviction is a different beast. It's not just mud slinging. If he's been convicted, it's not just smoke, he's a bad man!
There's a reason that the right pushes the "both sides" mentality. This just managed to cut past the smoke screen that they threw up. Whether it sticks is another story.
Anyone else would have dropped like a bad habit. Now, thankfully for the republikkklowns, their goal posts are sitting on top of a Bugatti so 34 felonies is no problem for them.
I've heard it's like a 2% change? That's within the margin of error of most polls.
It's noise. Random fluctuation.
These shifts were not outside the margins of error in the Reuters/Ipsos and Echelon Insights surveys, while the Times’s pollsters said that they could not calculate such a margin for their recontacting survey. Nevertheless, the fact that the same shift was recorded across three different surveys lends credence to its validity.
There's two interesting things the article points out.
- These were recontact polls. So these were people who were already polled, presumably a small percentage changing their minds.
- These were multiple pills across different organizations running them. So while they can be within the margin of error, they all saw the same trend.
Obviously you can't go by polls, and there's a ton of time between now and Nov, but it's interesting nonetheless.
Only one of them was a recontact poll, which they don't even report a margin of error for.
That one at least produced some interpretable anecdata, to wit: very few people changed their mind.
It'll take months of pounding away at it to reach most people, if it does at all.
I always wonder the kind of person that supports Trump but the felony was the moral line for themselves. Like hear him speak. I met 4 years old that use more advance cadence.
I don’t think it’s many “supporters” per se (except a few strict law and order Republicans). I’d guess it’s mostly the “wow Biden sucks so much, Trump wasn’t this bad” crowd
Had anyone met someone like that, that wasn't a republican?
For the latter, some independents
Interesting. Especially the comment about non-white people under 30 strangely showing a lot of support of Trump now, when 4 years ago they really didn't. It does seem easily possible for the change to occur in such a short time. I think the debates will really shake the electorate loose and how they like, as I think both sides will be keeping an eye on it.
It's inflation.
Polls are not votes. While I'm no fan of Joe Rogan anymore, his bit about how dumb you gotta be to answer a poll is still on point
Random tangent, but what is the magazine on the lower right? 'Quilty'? It's a bit funny that was placed there as a joke of some sort.
ZOMG!!!111 We need to tell all of our Republican politicians to pull their head out and arrest Brandon RIGHT NOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!11eleventy!111
- Every winger, probably