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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

DEAR GOD! The patriarchy! A successful woman...who's probably rich and living in a nice house and owns a nice car who may have not put her face out there that much wasn't recognized for who she was immediately.

Also who was that guy? what are his qualifications? Has he achieved anything?

I suspect this story didn't happen. How could you be so bad and speaking about your own work that someone questions it like that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

et. al

I wouldn't mess with her, she contains multitudes!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We are Borg et al. Resistance is futile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I am 7 of etc etc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Funny, but what does the skin color have to do with the situation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

When a given demographic is a dominant presence in a given area (not necessarily work, it can be anything), there is a tendency for they demographic to start making assumptions about other demographics.

In most places, men are the dominant presence, and in most of the "western" world, they will also be white.

In this case, the individual who a white male was doing what's called colloquially, "mansplaining". He was correcting a woman when not only was the woman right, but was the very source he was using to correct her.

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

In this specific case, I suspect that the person making that post was pointing to the prejudice and stupidity of the person indirectly insulting her being a systemic issue arising from both gender and sexual entrenchment along with the privilege that allows the dominance of the white male demographic despite their being no quantifiable factor for that group to be dominant other than that privilege.

She, in other words, was pointing out a systemic issue by using an anecdote. Which can be a bit difficult to accept as evidence. Or would be if there wasn't a good century or so of giant piles of anecdotes from real people pointing to that systemic issue not only existing, but being something that holds everyone back.

Truth? Yes, women and people of color are going to assume they're right and whoever they're talking to is wrong just like any humans will. But white dudes have been pulling that crap for multiple generations, and anyone that isn't both white and male get sick of the bad behavior.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If the post said "a Black trans women interrupted me", would that be also fine, in your eyes?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Are Black trans women known for this kind of behaviour? Are there apologists for Black trans women who make every effort to miss the fucking point that there are people who think this isn't a thing that happens?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Are Black trans women known for this kind of behaviour?

The question suggests that Black trans women are all alike. It's exactly that kind of generalization that's being criticized.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nonody is "known" for that behaviour. You really just seem to ascribe personality traits to people based on their skin color. I thought we were long past that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I still don't see why adding the skin color was important, but eh, I have other things to deal with, so I don't really care, just found it slightly annoying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Gender not important also, loads of women "mansplain", it's a problem with attitude, not gender or race

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

Pls stop generalizing this bad behavior upon all white men. It only serves to further the divide, and is completely unfair and uncalled for against those in the demographic who don't subscribe to those beliefs or patterns of behavior.

I'm not sure if that was your intent, that's just how it comes across and it makes it hard not to completely write off your argument/viewpoints for being unable to respect your neighbor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think the generalization isn't really about white men per se, but about the demographic in power. Give a group unchecked power long enough and they forget how that came to be. I agree that it's not a rule, and maybe should be expressed as more of a heuristic: if you are speaking to someone that is in power, and you don't look like them, they might think you are not empowered.

Don't let the lack of nuance in that statement take away from all the very valid points being made. The plight is real, and hopefully the white men who are enlightened enough to not confuse circumstance with natural order will read and know to not take it personally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Thank you for the civil discussion.

Completely agree about unchecked power and your interpretation of it as a heuristic rather than an ambiguously defined trait.

I most certainly realize the plight is real and wish it never was like I'd hope all of us can say. But the lack of nuance struck me as dangerous. I understand how disenfranchised men will interpret things, and when people willfully neglect the opportunity to be concise it leaves a worrying amount of room for misinterpretation and effectively is ragebait that can serve to further entrench a misguided incel or the like into their toxic niche.

And for anyone who thinks I'm overreacting: see how Reddit powermod awkward_the_turtle intentionally acted to provoke men, then wrote off everyone who took issue with it as inherently being member of the ideology they were allegedly targeting. Reddit, the company, enabled and encouraged this mod and their collaborators to attack users on their platform indiscriminately.

If Lemmy is to serve as only a new platform for abuse, then it deserves to die with the rest of social media. Please, do not let it come to this. Discuss and debate civilly.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Did you drop a /s? This is a funny meme, so I'm assuming I just missed a joke.

Right?

(Speaking as a white male, white male entitlement, and privilege for that matter, are incredibly relevant to white men being sexist/racist.)

(You can trust me on this because I'm a white male. Also, I'm used to my opinion being listened to, so I expect you to as well. Just FYI.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not obvious? Because white males as a demographic are the most privileged people on the planet and not coincidentally also the ones most prone to petty, oblivious arrogance, tantrum-throwing, and egotistical man-splaining. The latter was demonstrated by the one in this NASA scientist's anecdote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This robs people of their individual context. The UK Prime Ministers wife is Indian and astonishingly privileged. You are suggesting a poor mine worker from Romania is somehow more privileged based on how he looks.

Lumping people into loose categories (particularly based on skin colour) and then prescribing loose values to them is fascist and racist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

youre deliberately misinterpreting the concept of intersectionality, it includes class.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's an American obsession.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It’s an American reality. Race still influences much of American life.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hilarious. I actually witnessed this online when someone tried to “well actually” another user and it turned out that user was the author of the paper they cited.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What does “human drivers of fire” mean?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

There are many human drivers of fire, the first and foremost being, well you know, lighting a fire. And boy, do humans light a lot of fires.

Take for example, here is a map of active fires around the globe, right now:

First order human drivers of fire are things we actively or accidentally do to light a fire. Ignition is a fundamental for fire to happen, and humans cause WAY more ignition events than nature does. Things like a cook fire, burning brush or downed debris for management purposes, infrastructure like power lines or fueling stations, car accidents, lit cigarettes being thrown out etc.. etc.. The timing and frequency of these events directly influence the frequency of fires.

Second order drivers are things like vegetation management, home placing and construction, and other biophysical drivers. For example, introduction of invasive species like bromus tectorum, which burns very readily, represents more fine fuels in the environment. Yadayadayada more fires. Other things around vegetation management would fall into this category, such as the suppression of fire, or the psychical thinning of fuels in forests, or prescribed burns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

Are... are you McCarty et al., TropicalDingdong?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No no no, I'm an et al, just no any of those particular et al. I focus on wildfire risk and have read much on the topic. I've read McCarty and many more when it comes to understanding wildfire and wildfire risk. Some of my research focuses on wildfire risk, and spatial features as they relate to wildfire risk, so drivers becomes pretty important when it comes to wildfire risk modeling. I have taken several courses through NASA on the matter even though I don't focus on drivers directly.

This is the kind of thing I'm working on:

The nodes are features, the edges are weights. In this case I'm just looking at structure:structure risk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm sorry, but you obviously don't understand wildfires. You should really try reading Tropical Dingdongs, Esq.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I always roll my eyes whenever I see a "you can't do that because you're a woman" character in a show, and then I'm always reminded that these people actually exist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

these people actually exist

The way it's been explained to me is that so much of the negative interactions in life come from a tiny, tiny number of offenders who manage to be shitty to dozens and dozens of people. So anyone who has to interact with many different people will inevitably encounter that shitty interaction, while most of us normies would never actually behave in that way.

Of the literally thousands of times I've interacted with a server or cashier, I've never yelled at one. But talk to any server or cashier, and they'll all have stories of the customer who yelled at them. In other words, it can be simultaneously true that:

  • Almost all servers and cashiers get yelled at by customers.
  • Very, very, few customers actually yell at servers or cashiers.

In other words, our lived experiences are very different, depending on which side of that interaction we might possibly be on.

When I talk to women in male dominated fields, basically every single one of them has shitty stories about sexist mistreatment. It's basically inevitable, because they are a woman who interacts with literally hundreds or thousands in their field. And even if I interact with hundreds or thousands of women in that same field, just because I don't mistreat any of them doesn't mean that my experienced sample is representative.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say very few. I'd say a solid 10% of people are routinely rude, impatient or entitled in a retail or restaurant setting. Even higher in some places.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe in some places. But when I go out to a restaurant, I'm often surrounded by a few dozen other diners, and no one is acting up or shouting at waiting staff. I have seen customers be obviously rude to staff but it's very rare compared to the number of "normal" interactions. Sure not everyone is friendly and totally polite, but entitled, shouting or just being an ass is an absolute exception, like less than 0.1%. I also worked as a waiter in a couple of different restaurants over a two year period, and don't remember any incidents either to me or my colleagues.

When I read comments like this it makes me wonder if I've been lucky enough to live and work in decent places, and the USA is just an nightmare hellscape, or if the reality there is much more normal and we just hear an unrepresentative sample of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

the USA is just an nightmare hellscape

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think you’re right. People want to believe that humans are good but in reality a huge number are deeply broken.

Fixed an autocorrect in edit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It really is a matter of perspective.

You're saying that 10% of the population being awful means that a "huge number" are deeply broken.

So then 90% are being good! Mind, it doesn't take too many assholes to wreck things for everyone, but it is nice that the majority of folks really are trying to do their best. A sizeable majority, even!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

ITT people baww at the mere mention of race and gender, and proceed to behave as if the problem is other people being too sensitive about race and gender.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm very sorry, but what is ITT and baww?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ITT. In this thread.

Bawww in this context means “cry”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the clarification. This is how I find out that I'm old.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What does old mean to you? Maybe you're just not terminally online 😅

.... ITT has been used since early 00s AFAIK (2003 urban dictionary https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ITT). It's possible that it was used before that I just couldn't find any "proof" and can't remember it personally.

The bawwww I just got contextually. Plus sounded out it kinda sounds like someone bawling their eyes out. QQ

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