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Tankies would never hurt a leftist. Everyone they attack is actually a lib. Or so I've heard
Yes, of course they're the only real leftists and if you disagree you're a libnazi.
Aren't we not "real" leftists either? This isn't a very impressive burn
Woah, careful, only libs call tankies "not 'real' leftists"
You're just deflecting
Oh sorry. Ahem. No, I don't want to answer a lib's questions. Just to be safe, nothing personal.
Even OP has gotten over doing this routine. Are you really content with an ideology that can only produce "no u"?
It takes two to tango ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sounds like they unified against you fairly well.
That they did.
I've only experienced that from them since I've known them. Not one wants a good faith discussion until you grovel to their fundamentalist tripe. Unity to them means blindly following their half-understood theories of centuries-dead men, and anyone who questions a lick of it gets the 4chan swarm treatment.
OP literally did not attempt to have any discussion of any kind, and explicitly said they had no interest in doing so
that's the definition of "not in good faith" homie
Can't exactly have a good faith argument if the post gets brigaded.
No, good faith argument is being a debatelord, as was explained to me at length in the last post. People who just happen to see the post and respond are all brigading if they come from an instance that has a cross-post. Them's the rules.
Don't bullshit me that there is a proper way to argue with that fucker, he demonstrated at length that there was not.
I don't think I've ever seen a sealion so mad before.
Fuck off, all you can do is call names and be smug, there is no point talking to you
You literally came into my thread and started insulting me to third parties, baby. Don't act all huffy when you take what you give.
You're clearly angry because I didn't engage with your sealioning. Take a break. Not everyone owes you attention.
take what you give
who broadcast a meme to all of lemmy arguing that modern MLs are treacherous murderers who must be defeated in real life?
Not quite what the meme said, and also, it's a meme. For people frequently chanting about death to various things, y'all are surprisingly literal.
and also, it's a meme.
You can't use this cop-out like it's a joke whenever it's rhetorically convenient for you, especially when you said in the comments that you completely meant it.
[Yes, I was baited again despite earlier doing the healthy thing of disengaging, that much is not on you]
Yes I did mean not to trust tankies.
Then what the fuck do you say "it's a meme" for? What useful information does that convey? Because clearly you're serious about it and have been told that that response comes off as you saying "it's just a joke bro"
Look mate, "it's a meme" means it's not going to be particularly nuanced in its criticism. It's meant to ellicit cheap laughs through simplifying some parts. Y'all have a brain, you can certainly see which parts are exagerrated for these purposes. Your comrades were certainly capable of starting nuanced discussions about Catalonia based on this understanding.
Honestly, I think you are all playing dumb in order to get some gotchas.
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you literally came into my thread
You literally started a discussion in a public forum. You don't get to be offended people in the forum engaged with it.
I'm not. Hell, I left the forum open for y'all to shitpost to your heart's content!
Oh, of course you're not. That's why you're derailing threads by accusing everyone of sealioning, because you're not mad at them at all. That's why you posted your shitty wrecker memes in the first place, because you're totally rational and calm.
Absolutely fucking childish.
I'll never emotionally recover from this
As I said before: try responding to what I said instead of getting a sick burn in to show to your friends.
Lol y'all don't know what you want. Half of you want to shut me up. Half of you want serious discussions. I'm getting mixed signals, mate!
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Are we finally getting the hexbear defederatiom that I've wanted for so long?
I'm an anarchist and you're just an idiot.
Oh wow, I've never disagreed with an anarchist before!
I'm not sure I really agree with your first point, I think finding a way to find allys in all leftists would be worth it, even if it has a dark history. Things can be better.
But holy shit their reaction was intense. And the idea that their arguments were in defense of left unity was pretty silly... 99% of it was just "anarchists wrong and evil", and there is wild amounts of sectarianism going on just within hexbear that I'm sure lent energy to this.
I respect how you reacted under pressure. I really respect any admin of a website that can show that much restraint when dealing with personal attacks and people you explicitly disagree with.
But yeah the lethality of leftist infighting is maybe a topic that deserves more delicate conversations than memes.
anarchists wrong and evil
not only is that not what we said, but db0 actually said that about us
I was there, I can form my own opinions, thanks. It was hyperbole, but that was the general level of arguments being made.
If you want left unity, it was a nonsensical way to behave. It was just more sectarianism. It does make sense as a way to behave if you just wanna argue... So thats what I assume the real intent was.
the meme being posted was "modern MLs are bloodthirsty monsters who will kill you if they ever get in power"
When you view a group as evil, that view tends to result in double standards for behavior, which is what you're doing.
I'm probably going to dip because I'm too mad to be civil right now
Hi, if you read what I said I also did not like the meme originally posted. I'm just trying to be constructive about it instead of angey and loud.
Edit: "angey" was a typo but it makes me laugh
They posted an inflammatory meme meant to stir shit up between folks that share 99% of the same values and should be working together instead of having slapfights on the internet about shit that happened 100 years ago under entirely different material conditions, and for the record I piled on against them too as did some of our other anarchist comrades because it was reddit tier brainrot. If someone post a meme similarly lazily and unfunnily making the same joke about "anarkiddies" we would remove it and chastise the poster.
What do you want me to say? Sorry I'm not as angey as your standards demand? That all that dogpiling and toxic behavior was chill and fine because of a fucky meme? I declare hexbear.net the sovereign leader of all of leftism, I'll say whatever you want, just chill tf out
I'm very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
The removal of downvotes on our end mean people have to actually make the effort to tell you that you are wrong and why, and not just downvote and move on.
Trust me it is a much better system than downvotes, we have had a long time with developing policies to foster productive discussion.
When someone is so aggressively wrong or clearly posting troll bait, then of course they will perceive the pushback as aggressive as well.
I'm very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
I mean i am on hb since the start and criticism of anything ml was always met with aggression, not only if it was inflammatory. That1s why joeysteel was banned for starters.
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Thanks for your kind words. I will admit I did get snappy towards the end of the day as I was getting tired and they had gone to straight up brigading tactics with half a dozen hexbears shitposting random replies, so there wasn't even any point to reply anymore. It had just become a classic pile on situation because I hurt their feelings.
I’m not sure I really agree with your first point, I think finding a way to find allys in all leftists would be worth it, even if it has a dark history. Things can be better.
I'm not here to stop anyone. MLs can be allies when they act like anarchists, which they tend to do when they're not in power. But you have to be cognizant who you're getting in bed with.
MLs can be allies when they act like anarchists
Uh, sure, and Nazis can be allies if they act like communists. You ever wonder if the reason MLs keep shooting anarchists is because instead of trying to work together the anarchists just insist the MLs become anarchists?
You ever wonder if the reason MLs keep shooting anarchists...
gasp he said the silent part out loud!
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Do you think that all ML's harbor some innate desire to just start murdering anarchists for no particular reason when given the chance or something?
This weird self-induced paranoia can't be good for you.
No. I think that the praxis of MLs eventually leads to ice axes in heads "for the good of the revolution". I believe you currently never would imagine you would make such an action. I also believe that your hierarchical states will inevitably lead to it
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