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I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I'd rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Hexbears sucking up to dictators while claiming to be pro lgbtq will never not be funny

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

China's bottom-up system of power starting at the mass line via committees and polling does mean a slower progress on social change than a top-down approach like you see in the west, but it also means a more consistent gradual improvement as younger generations age up. Whereas it's always a constant battle in the west, with a large (quite often successful) push for reversal.

Trans rights got a boost in China just last week for example with a court ruling.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Right, the "bottom-up" system with a dictator for life at the top.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

How many terms did FDR have again?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Since 2020 China literally has more workplace protections for trans people than the US

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/people-culture/gender-diversity/article/3243608/blessing-china-court-lauds-rule-law-backs-transgender-staffer-fired-being-absent-while-leave

Don't pinkwash your redscare.

Also Xi isn't a dictator. He was literally elected by a democratic assembly. Also he historically pushes for more democracy in China, more than the US. Literally look into the idea of whole process people's democracy

“The most basic criterion for democracy is whether people have the right to participate extensively in national governance, whether people’s demands can be responded to and satisfied. In China, the people participate in the management of state affairs, social affairs, and economic and cultural affairs; they provide opinions and suggestions for the design of national development plans at the highest level and also contribute to the governance of local public affairs; they take part in democratic elections, consultations, decision-making, management, and oversight...."

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/whole-process-peoples-democracy-in-china-what-does-it-mean/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The West seems to define "democracy" in a very specific form: there MUST be multiple competing political parties and power MUST, at least in theory (compare Singapore, Mexico, etc) regularly transfer between them as the result of elections.

This is something Western states have been able to pull off, but it's actually sort of peripheral to the theoretical INTENT of democracy-- that the government serves the masses. Good governance is pretty much a by-product of the fear of being voted out of office.

You can, and often do, have the all-sacred elections and peaceful transfer of power and still have a government which isn't acting in service of its electorate. Sure, you can pick red corporate stooge or blue corporate stooge, but the Overton window is still a narrow slit that represents no real threat to the rich, and factionalism and winner-take-all elections sabotage any actual forward motion.

Meanwhile, the single-party state, unencumbered by having to tear itself apart in battles for the throne every four years, can focus on consensus and actual needs. Good governance can come from a sense of civic duty, or even a smartly weaponized corruption (if everyone thrives, my cut of graft grows with it!)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

My instance defederated from them... but here we are. Can't wait for lemmy to catch up and let us block instances on an individual level.

edit: Awww Hexbear didn't like that. Sadly my instance won't let me block you assholes yet. Gonna have to deal longer than any of us likes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago