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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Next you'll be telling me I should pronounce the L in island as well!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

fun fact: the S in island is completely fucking made up, the original spelling was "iland" with "i" being cognate with "ö" in swedish. It basically means island land and the only reason why there's an S in there is because some shithead thought it was related to the french word "isle" and felt that INCORRECT idea warranted changing the spelling.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yep. It is indeed. ~~Same with the K in knight, which was added for no fucking reason.~~ Sweden also has an island called Öland which means island land.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Knight" used to be pronounced with the "K." It was always there, it's not pronouncing it that's new.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Oh yeah I confused it with some other word.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Receipt" is a good example. A silent "P" was shoved in there to make it seem more fancy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

That's a better one!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Probably "night," which is also properly pronounced with the leading K sound.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I think what you said is slightly wrong. Island and isle are both English words that seem to have no ethymological connection. However close semantic relation of "isle" might have cause the introduction of the "s" at some point. Isle itself probably comes from latin "insula". The French still have only one word "Île". Germans have "Eiland" and "Insel".

island [OE] Despite their similarity, island has no etymological connection with isle (their resemblance is due to a 16th-century change in the spelling of island under the influence of its semantic neighbour isle). Island comes ultimately from a prehistoric Germanic *aujō, which denoted 'land associated with water,' and was distantly related to Latin aqua 'water'. This passed into Old English as īeg 'island,' which was subsequently compounded with land to form īegland 'island'. By the late Middle English period this had developed to iland, the form which was turned into island. (A diminutive form of Old English īeg, incidentally, has given us eyot 'small island in a river' [OE].)

Isle [13] itself comes via Old French ile from Latin insula (the s is a 15th-century reintroduction from Latin). Other contributions made by insula to English include insular [17], insulate [16], insulin, isolate [via Italian) [18], and peninsula [16].

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can the UN declare that every school needs to replace Island with Iland?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Like that does anything. 🗞️🐯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If only we submitted ourselves to them

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i-sand... is-and... isund? iand? Ok, I give up, how are you supposed to pronounce it without the L?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Now that is the real question.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

etymologically the word is made up of "i" and "land", the "s" was added by some idiot in the 15th century. "i" is cognate with "ö" in swedish which simply means "island", so just pull a power move and drop all the other letters completely.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Swede caveman sailor 1: What that?

Swede caveman sailor 2: is land

Swede caveman sailor 1: ö

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You're welcome, I've made all of us dumber...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

In Swedish it would be Penö, so I suggest Peni...s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean the L. Like in salmon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You actually pronounce the L in salmon?

Edit...the word actually. But also...my bad.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What if I told you nothing is real

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Then you wouldn't really be saying anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How the fuck am I supposed to eat soup with all of these bent-ass spoons?!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Did you mean bent ass-spoons?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Neo, you must meet The Orifice.