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Ottawa to bring back EV incentives: Minister Joly (canadianautodealer.ca)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You know there are "actual real adults" who live without a car and have managed to navigate all the problems you've mentioned. It's not impossible, it just requires some changes that sometimes add inconvenience.

For example, when I need to use a truck I either borrow or rent one for a day or two. The number of vehicles that just sit around unused is a testament to the fact that there are way more cars on the road than necessary. And we're all footing the bill for it with our taxes, lungs, and sanity.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Solutions need to be based in reality; and the reality is that getting rid of vehicles for bikes doesn't change anything in the real world because 20 people sharing a single truck for an hour each week to do their shit uses just as much fuel and causes just as much pollution as those same 20 people using 20 trucks for an hour.

And that single truck, seeing twenty times the usage, will wear out faster and end up using exponentially MORE fuel and causing MORE pollution as it ages and wears out; eventually needing to be replaced 20 times faster.

THAT is what I mean when I say "really real world". Saying some hippy-dippy bullshit about how let's replace trucks with ebikes isn't contributing to any sort of serious discussion about realistic solutions. It only exists to make you feel better about yourself without needing to examine the long term repercussions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

This comment is unbelievably stupid. People don't only drive their trucks for things that they would otherwise have to rent a car for. I guarantee for a huge percentage of truck owners 95%+ of their usage could easily be replaced by an ebike. You dont need a 3 ton pickup to drive to the corner store to pick up smokes, or to get to work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

The difference is that we, as a vehicle-sharing community, have saved 19 trucks worth of money and there are 19 less trucks sitting around on streets and in parking lots. We've all been fed personal vehicle propaganda non-stop for like 100 years, I don't blame you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

20 people sharing a single truck for an hour each week to do their shit uses just as much fuel and causes just as much pollution as those same 20 people using 20 trucks for an hour.

This is incorrect, over half the greenhouse gasses released during the service life of a vehicle are made when it is created.