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"B-but the old testament said..."
That retort gets so fucking old. At the same time as many fundies talk about how Jesus ushered in a new era of laws, they cling on to the bullshit written by randos hundreds of thousands or years earlier.
These are the same books that shout about how eating shellfish and mixing fabrics are affronts to God. The same ones that herald how virtuous a guy is because he was going to murder his own kid because of a talking bush. The same ones that go into graphic detail about donkey emissions. And yet certain snippets are still relevant in the midsts of all that dross? Give me a break!
And before any Christians respond, know that I (and others) don't care. You can obsess over the old testament all you like. If you find value in their writings then good for you. But don't force that discriminatory, hateful crap on other people.
Edit: fixed a typo.
I think part of the reason that xtianity is so fundamentally schizo when it comes to their Belief System's claims is because they started as a set of Jewish heretics that wanted to rope in "Gentiles" of the day, so it all starts there.
They have their new character talk about the "jot and tittle" thing to throw a bone to the old stuff and using that to legitimize their claims of him being a fulfillment of some prophecy. But then, wonder of wonders, they claim they have a "new covenant" (lol) and that the laws they find inconvenient (especially for converts) are merely "Mosaic law". I mean, how can you really square such things?
It's interesting that most (non-Mormon) xtians can see how the "revelations" from LDS presidents on such things as having black members in their church are, ahem, obviously influenced by the winds of change, but they cannot apply this same logic to their own origins...
I was raised the new covenant of the new testament overrides the old covenant of the old testament, the whole idea of Jesus saves doesn't work otherwise. I don't understand it, I was taught the old testament was basically context and prophecy.
There's a lot of Christian fundies who say that, but then drag out the old testament when convenient. Almost like they're picking and choosing what to believe.
'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.' Jesus F. Christ
You were raised in blasphemy then.
So burn me at the stake then, I don't really care. His fulfilment of the law was as the sacrificial lamb for all of humanity who choose to accept it.
"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." - John 1:29
Arguing about Christianity on fucking Lemmy, what a day. I always thought it would be advocating for love thy neighbor that would get me called a blasphemer but nope, it's the most basic of basic Christianity.
Yeah that's why Christian's don't do animal sacrifices, but the Ten Commandments are still valid, are they not? So is the rest of god's magic book, a book that 'Christians' tend to not follow when they don't feel like it. Not a Christian btw, just pointing out the hypocrisy of saying you have the word of god written and the don't even RTFM.
While the strongest Biblical criticisms of homosexuality are in the Old Testament, such criticism is also not exclusive to the Old Testament.
e.g. the Book of Romans is part of the New Testament:
Romans 1:26-27:
Who decided that Paul was a worthy prophet though? Who chose the books? The only reason for revelations was that they didn't like the apocalypse of Peter. I would recommend most things with a grain of salt, but more for anything outside of the Gospel, and yes, it should still have some salt.
Agreed, I never understood why xtians that include the writings of Paul shouldn't be called "Paulians" instead.
Paul never even met the character of Jesus, according to their own version of things. That's pretty wild.