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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Your historical analysis is nicely summarized. But words change meaning, they always have. ,"Don we now our gay apparel"used to mean festive clothing. Well I guess it still does in a different way, wtf do I know lol. Carry on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Queer used to be a slur (and still can be) and before that it had a different meaning, but it has since changed again to be reclaimed by those it was intended to hurt. Words change, of course, but that must mean they can change back too. I'm not saying we must take the word back, mind you, I'm only suggesting it. I personally think it's a good idea but I'm not gonna make anyone who doesn't want to do it. I also am very aware of the challenge to reclaim it, I only brought it up because it was relevant to the thread. Penn Gillette is most likely a left-ish libertarian and doesn't even know it, but obviously no longer associates with the term for understandable reasons. I am wishing he didn't have to abandon the term libertarian and instead wish American society was able to comprehend left libertarianism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing anything about the modern meaning. I'm providing historical context as to where the word comes from, and correcting the previous commenter who was asserting 'libertarian' had no connection to socialist political theory.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

One could argue that many modern right wing libertarians are closer to anarchism than some of their left wing equivalents. Back when I was on reddit there was much discussion of what they called watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside. Meaning they presented themselves as anti authoritarian but in reality wanted to use the power of the state to enforce their ideal version of societal freedom. There are also differences in how the words are understood today in different places - Europe, the US, other places in the world. I did commend your historical representation btw.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

One could argue that many modern right wing libertarians are closer to anarchism than some of their left wing equivalents.

Only if you don't understand what right-wing libertarianism is. It is 100% reliant on the state monopoly on violence and coercive authoritarianism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Only if you paint with broad strokes. They are more diverse than that, and some are very anti government. The same is true of those more on the Left.