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The massive changes in US research brought about by the new administration of President Donald Trump are causing many scientists in the country to rethink their lives and careers. More than 1,200 scientists who responded to a Nature poll — three-quarters of the total respondents — are considering leaving the United States following the disruptions prompted by Trump. Europe and Canada were among the top choices for relocation.

The trend was particularly pronounced among early-career researchers. Of the 690 postgraduate researchers who responded, 548 were considering leaving; 255 of 340 PhD students said the same.

I have answered this poll myself; this is meant for scientists of all career-stages, so a lot of PhD students and postdocs along with faculty members.

I don't think the article is paywalled, but let me know if it is.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago (3 children)

We dont have decades left to act on climate. Unfortunately, this could be our nail in the coffin on this iteration of society.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That ship may have already sailed before this administration took over, but my hope was that society could restructure itself in a way that would still sustain human life. At this point we may even be on an extinction track if nothing changes. The world is chaotic enough at 1.5C. I shutter to imagine a world at 4C.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But poor brown people suffer those consequences, so who cares? /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Geriatric fucks really think the rich countries will magically be fine ...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

We've already avoided 4C based on current trends.

This is because the world is rapidly pivoting to renewables, simply because they're so much cheaper and better than the alternatives. It will be almost impossible to reverse that trend even with the damage the Trump admin will do.

Don't get me wrong, we still have a LOT of work to do, but the situation is not hopeless. The number one spreaders of climate doomerism right now are oil and gas companies. They want you to despair, so that you'll give up on trying to change things. In reality a lot of climate trends are already swinging in positive directions simply because of the economics. That on its own is not enough, and we'll never solve a market driven problem with market solutions, but it's a start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

At 4C we aren't getting out of this hellhole. The resource wars already seem to be drawing their lines now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The science doesn't matter anyway, if it did, and this wasn't just about money and politics, countries like Canada wouldn't be charging a carbon tax, driving up prices for Canadians making them more poor which science says makes them worse polluters. Instead we would be shipping natural gas to India and China to phase out their coal consumption. We'd be using pipelines to cut carbons emissions from transportation vehicles. We would be using tax dollars to install solar on people's homes for them, reducing infrastructure maintenance and upgrade requirements for line and roads.

It's not about the science. It never was. That's why we are all doomed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I wish we lived in a world where you weren't right about this. But you are, it was never about science.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is not how climate science works.

Everything we're doing is "later than we should have done it", but nothing is ever "too late to make a difference."

The climate isn't a lightswitch, and it's not a bomb with a count down timer. Everything we do to improve the situation reduces the amount of total suffering that will result from anthropogenic climate change.

The notion that there is a point of no return beyond which our efforts are useless is very popular... With oil and gas executives. The "It's too late" message is being pushed heavily by people who want to keep polluting.

In reality, it's like getting into a car crash. Even if you brake too late to avoid the impact, braking still reduces the severity of the impact. Everything we do to reduce our carbon impact (as a species) will save lives. We are past the point of avoiding any harm at all, but we can still reduce the harm that occurs and hasten the point where we begin to restore our climate to a healthy state.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah my point is we have 4 years of an EPA thats gonna let everything be dumped into the environment. We can't afford to go backwards right now. We aren't getting into a crashing car and just not braking, we're smashing the accelerator is the problem. Trump is gonna fuck the environment by repealing any and all regulation with that "special help line". And yeah, it will probably just be US that turns into a toxic dump. But it will still suck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, it will suck, and people will die as a result. A lot of people. We're still not remotely prepared for the scale of human misery climate change is going to inflict.

But it's important to be clear about the distinction between "This will make things much, much worse" and "This will destroy any chance of things getting better."

The latter is the message oil and gas execs want you to be spreading. Don't do their dirty work for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

We needed to be prosecuting the biggest polluters 30 years ago. Now they are prosecuting climate supporters, literally the opposite of what we need. Countries are turning to autocracy. The UK is arresting climate protestors. Its just not looking like its going to get better. And its definitely not getting better in the US where I reside.