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I'd bet a significant enough chunk of the US military is against annexation and would resist orders to invade. Canada and US have basically been brothers in arms for 100+ years, thats a hard culture to throw away for no real threat. The average US infantry is not going to feel like they are fighting for freedom by annexing Canada.
Ukraine and Russia have been brothers in arms for a thousand years and I thought the current war was impossible, but here we are.
Stalin committed genocide against Ukraine less than 100 years ago.
As an American even I don't have that faith in our military to do the right thing.
There's a good chunk of them that are indoctrinated in MAGA philosophies, and they are trained to follow orders. More likely that the pushback would come from leadership, however I certainly would not want to test it.
It has to be tested. This is war. Its a human duty beyond national pride.
No different than Canada's military forces. Since Trump was elected over 1000 people have volunteered, and I bet 10% are right wingnuts who'll be shooting at Canadians trying to defend the border.
These are weird as fuck times, no? It boggles my mind to be at odds with our allies. I've spent a lot of time in Canada working through the years and love it as a country. Breaks my heart tbh.
I fucking loathe everyone that enabled this shit to happen.
Just like they were "fighting for freedom" by invading Iraq, a country that didn't have shit to do with the 9/11 attack or anything else going on at home at the time? Even after it was known they lied about "weapons of mass destruction", people still signed up to be sent over there.
They just need to find the right kind of propaganda to justify going into Canada, and then the meatheads will follow.
Your mistake was forgetting the people of Iraq are brown people.
There is a strong undercurrent of chauvinism among conservative Americans. That America is one of the last bastions of freedom against the degenerate progressive-marxist-globalist movement.
It will still take some twisting of facts and provocation, but probably not as much as you might think.
Just check out /r/conservative and you can already see the lines they’re being fed. It’s terrifying honestly
You're not wrong, i still don't know what a progressive-marxist-globalist movement is, but i guess that doesn't matter as long as people believe it's happening.
They are talking about Jewish people. Anytime they say globalist, it's the jews.
Yes but theyre also insanely, INSANELY racist.
Extermination brown people for sport? Good clean fun.
One young white kid shown bleeding on TV? THE HORROR! THE HORROR!!!
"The Canadians are mutilating children. They're cutting their genitals off, and forcing them to live as the opposite sex. They're brainwashing children into thinking that this is normal, that it's good. A cult of child predators has taken over the government in Ottawa, and they're using their power to mutilate, to brainwash, to destroy children and families. And some of them speak French!"
And that's all it will take to get plenty of soldiers on board. Whether or not the US can hold Canada I don't know. A Canadian friend of mine seems to believe not. But getting violent, hateful, transphobic bigots to sign up? It's that easy. Hell, most of em might not even be service members. Just happy bigoted volunteers, crashing the border and setting off fertilizer bombs attached to department store drones, all for the simple joy of "owning the libs" and "protecting the children"
Iraq wasn't their neighbor, the average american had rarely met or interacted with an Iraqi IRL or online. The same is not true for Canada. Our cultures and demographics are far more similar. It isn't impossible but the propaganda would have to be quite impressive to shift the overall attitude towards Canadians.
And to add to this, once many service members got to know and bond with Iraqi local nationals, many of them formed friendships that we/they hold dear. Of my service member friends we all have fond memories with them. Of the ones I've met since being in, they all have fond memories too.
They don't even need that much propaganda. I remember soldiers pumping "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" as a war anthem in Iraq. We have enough stupid shit in our "culture" to help justify it anyway. Just look at the pointless lyrics to that stupid fucking song that basically mean nothing yet somehow couldn't be more on the nose if it tried.
Sounds like every idiot asshole that signed up to kill innocent Iraqis and yet they used it as a war anthem for... killing innocent Iraqis. Fuck me I hate living in this stupid ass country.
EDIT: Also check the YouTube comments for that fucking video, plenty of people still love it.
Iraq is a country far far away that most Americans have never visited. Plus Saddam was a real criminal who attacked his own people with chemical weapons. That makes it easy for an average American to believe the false claims.
Canada is right across the border. So many Americans have been there. many have wives and husbands from there. They are a democracy. no mass killing or genocides. Besides Trump is not even accusing them of anything. He just want to take it "for national security"
The two situations are not the same.
No genocides? Ummm.... I guess you could say that Canada has committed the same genocides as the usa.
To support your point since people don't want to do the research themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples
Also let's not underestimate the US hate for French people, and there's enough people who speak French in Canada to "justify" it.
I think they meant no active genocides to justify military action right now. But yes, unfortunately Canada has a disgusting history of genocide and there are many still healing from those atrocities.
They've already been firing generals that won't toe the line. They're in the process of ridding the military of trans soldiers. Gay/Lesbian soldiers will probably be next, and I don't doubt there will soon be incentives to rat out any fellow soldiers who are suspected of not being "Loyal Americans".
Yeah, lets see how many of them refuse to invade Canada after the first few dozen get executed in front of everyone else.
The world knows that leadership style already. It's the secret ingredient of the legendary russian army that allowed them to take Ukraine in 5 days.
Still hurt Ukraine pretty bad Id say. Im not saying the US will take over the world, but theyll hurt as many people as they can. Also they still got their last resorts if other countries refuse to be annexed by the greatest country of all time.
My point is that this method barely works for a nation that doesn't appreciate its citizens' lives and primary mode of assault is meat waves of conscripts. In contrast, US military tradition relies a lot more on individual initiative, and creativity that is completely incompatible with the above-mentioned leadership style. It would immediately collapse morale. The military could of course make gains regardless, but it would collapse the US economy, etc.
I'd argue they have a constitutional duty to refuse these orders and actually, to march on the President and Congress and put a stop to this. Their duty is FIRST and FOREMOST to the Constitution of the United States.
It would honestly take just a single brave "bodyguard" to end this all. Even if they are killed or jailed, it sure as shit beats having to die in combat while fighting an innocent neighbour because you followed orders from a clown.
On the upside, they'd be a global hero for preventing a needless war. No need to go back in time to drop an orange down a flight of stairs, either.
Agreed, the number of refusals, defections, and just straight up surrendering would cause massive problems for any sort of invasion.
Not to mention the basic fact that there's nothing to "capture" these days.
If they take the government buildings by force, does that change anything?
They've only "taken" Canada if the people start paying taxes to the US government, and that's unlikely to happen in an invasion situation. People would just stop paying their taxes entirely. It's not like troops could go door to door collecting, they may be able to collect it from some specific large businesses, but the rest of the economy immediately goes underground
There's no reasonable enforcement measure for the mass riots that would occur with the number of troops they could afford to deploy to Canada. If they start ordering troops to just gun down every riot, the fight back from the Canadians is going to make Afghanistan look like a cake walk.
If they start shutting down basic functions like electricity or banking to control the population, then the number of guns Canada owns is going to become a huge problem for the troops they have here. The US military would also have to secure the border somehow as some people will try to flee into the US, and some of those people "fleeing" would then turn around and start attacking US assets in the US.
And that's not to mention the almost million Canadians who currently live in the US, are they going to try Japanese internment camps again?
A physical invasion is just completely infeasible. He's going to keep pushing it economically and politically, and it's very likely he's long gone (either out of office or dead) before Canada would cave to those pressures.
The military will follow his orders.