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I'm not calling trans women men, I'm saying that if a cis man were to show up.
Okay, but we aren't talking about men playing women's sports, we are talking about women playing women's sports.
And I was giving you an example where cis men could both win AND lose to cis women, and it would still be unfair.
Cis men are not relevant to this discussion, so the only reason to bring men up is if you think trans women are men.
They are fucking relevant, because you said that trans women need to ALWAYS beat cis women for it to be unfair.
I'm providing an example where in an even more extreme situation where cis men were involved directly, some cis men could lose and the situation would still be unfair.
So your argument that they all had to be better is false. Trans women participating in women's sports if even one of them is better because of their natural doping is an unfair situation.
You're providing an example that does not involve trans women. All you are doing is repeatedly implying that there is no physical difference between trans women and cis men, which is simply false if they are taking hormones.
And also, that was not my argument. Not in any way.
Taking hormones does not undo all of the benefits of male puberty body development. This is science that has been proven.
You simply cannot say that no trans women has an advantage, it's just false.
Given that at least some have an unfair advantage, they should not be allowed to participate in a division created specifically to avoid having to compete against that advantage.
It's that simple.
Are you going to acknowledge that was not the argument I was making?
Apparently fairness is not as important to you on a personal level.
The argument you made was that ALL trans women had to be better than Britney Griner for it to be unfair.
I countered by saying if even a single trans women, because of their male puberty development, was better than Britney Griner then it would be unfair.
The entire point of having a women's league at all is to exclude men, specifically because their bodies are vastly stronger when comparing two of the peak athletes in that sport.
I guess you're just going to continue to lie about what argument I was making. So you don't actually care about fairness at all.
Are you removed? Go back and read your own godamn comment.