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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Remember! People aren't powerless! Voting is a power! Not voting is not how political change happens

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

that's a good point

I wonder what would happen if the Democrats tried to activate those chronic non-voters, rather than trying to flip those moderate republicans i keep being told are real

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It really does baffle me that some people think a lack of an effort will bring about change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (51 children)

Removing your support from a party you previously supported is an effort to bring about change. Evidenced by the democrats trying to figure out how to get people to vote for them again.

I bet you think divorce is a bad thing too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Divorce isn’t something from nothing, so I’m not too sure what that false equivalency is supposed to do for you.

You cannot expect action from inaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I guess you never just ignored a toddler... lots of action comes from that inaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Its the same type of situation: would you make the best of a bad situation or blow it up? Would you vote for the lesser evil or abstain/vote third party?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Voting is a power that has been consistently weakened for the past four decades in the United States, and is completely useless in a two party system with two captured parties. Political change has historically been accomplished with money and violence; it is extraordinarily rare for countries to vote themselves out of the slide to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A vote not used is a vote for oppression. Get out an organize, run for election, etc. change is still possible

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Getting out and organizing strikes/protests and building third-party grassroots political movements are absolutely great suggestions; neither are voting. Both of them require a significant amount of additional effort than voting. In fact, you may even notice that one requires money, and the other often implies a threat of further violence.

A large reason we are in this is because Americans see voting as the be-all end-all to their political participation. It is the absolute weakest tool to actually enact change in the U.S. political system.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Getting out and organizing strikes/protests and building third-party grassroots political movements are absolutely great suggestions;

Yes, voting isn't the only action. As a union steward, I'm well aware. People should use multiple tools, but at a MINIMUM people need to vote(as long as we remain mildly democratic).

It is the absolute weakest tool to actually enact change in the U.S. political system.

It is a very strong tool in preventing down sliding.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The russian people get to vote. How is that is working out for them?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They "get to vote". Their votes don't actually matter, at all. We are not yet in a position like Russia's.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When all we can vote for are one of two people who don't represent us, but instead represent themselves and the rich... I would say we are close enough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Harris wouldn't cut osha lmfao they're n5it the same

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Never said they would do the same thing. I said neither of the represent our interests.