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"If the purges [of potential voters], challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast."

"[...] Democracy can win* despite the 2.3% suppression headwind.

And that’s our job as Americans: to end the purges, the vigilante challenges, the ballot rejections and the attitude that this is all somehow OK."

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

“Clearly you’re not worth voting for because you can’t convince people to vote for you.” Great.

But it's not that. It's "please do something because you're abandoning wide swathes of people and are going to lose, and lose our best chance against the fascists this way".

The problem is that Dems don't like progressives' help, they would rather get help from Cheney than Sanders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

abandoning wide swathes of people

Because forgiving college debt and giving you $50k towards your first house and bringing prescription drug prices down is abandoning you? Fixing our rail system is abandoning you? Repeatedly saying they're going to tax billionaires is abandoning progressives?

It's not like we give them enough to have the power to actually get big things done. When we do give them a little, they have to bring in the vice president to break ties in the Senate.

In this regard, it's not like Republicans wield power any better. They couldn't even repeal the ACA. It's just that they get more credit. First, they get credit for every Dem initiative they stop (even if it's not real). The reverse isn't true. Second, everything the Republicans do get done tends to be negative and stings more than the positives.

I know you want to abandon billionaire money. You want Dems saying the right things to you, in a closet where nobody hears them. Because if you don't have money, you lose elections. Period. That's a big problem that needs to be solved, but it can't be solved by people who lose elections.

The Dems absolutely could have tried to appeal to the progressives more instead of moderates. Clearly, in hindsight, it'd be worth trying something different. But I doubt it would have worked. People weren't happy, and they were going to take it out on the incumbent party. And right now they'd be hearing "why didn't they appeal to moderates?"

My point is that it's more complicated than just "appeal to progressives instead of moderates". The Dems have more realities to deal with than we give them credit for.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because forgiving college debt and giving you $50k towards your first house and bringing prescription drug prices down is abandoning you? Fixing our rail system is abandoning you? Repeatedly saying they’re going to tax billionaires is abandoning progressives?

Tax billionaires how? Any concrete plans? Any proposed laws that were brought to the floor as much as repealing Obamacare was by the ghouls?

And trying to win by forgiving student debt that they themselves made undischargeable as recently as 2005 is good, but it's just trying to clean up after themselves. Unsuccessfully.

And giving $50k towards a first house, when houses are nearing a million is not going to do anything other than drive housing prices even further up. How much public housing have they built? Have they even proposed putting a tax on large-scale corporate homeownership or price gouging, houses sitting empty?

I'm not even going to mention Gaza.

But the elephant in the room, Joe Biden could have nominated anyone, literally anyone for AG. He nominated known conservative Merrick Garland, who then proceeded to let Trump go after 34 felony convictions and who knows how many hundreds of actual felonies, to become US president.

In this regard, it’s not like Republicans wield power any better. They couldn’t even repeal the ACA.

At least they tried. How many times have Democrats brought a vote to tax billionaires or megacorps, even if it failed, just to keep it on the table?

I know you want to abandon billionaire money. You want Dems saying the right things to you, in a closet where nobody hears them. Because if you don’t have money, you lose elections. Period. That’s a big problem that needs to be solved, but it can’t be solved by people who lose elections.

If money is more important than getting votes in order to win an election, then the US is not and has not been a democracy. That said, the Dems got all the money ever this election. Where is the win then?

The Dems absolutely could have tried to appeal to the progressives more instead of moderates. Clearly, in hindsight, it’d be worth trying something different. But I doubt it would have worked. People weren’t happy, and they were going to take it out on the incumbent party. And right now they’d be hearing “why didn’t they appeal to moderates?”

Has that ever happened? Once? Or has it been dozens of elections in a row, always appealing to "moderates" - actually wealthy donors - and leaving progressives to rot. And then blaming progressives for the election loss. Damn, Lina Khan, the one woman who was arguably doing her job well was possibly on the chopping block. How do you get people to vote for this?

The Dems have been the perfect Weimar to Trump's Hitler. May they be remembered as "fondly" as them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Thank you for this, it's speaking exactly the unending frustration I have with these lines of "thought".

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That said, the Dems got all the money ever this election. Where is the win then?

Why are you blatantly lying about this? Any chump can look at the wall of CEOs Trump has next to him for his victory speeches and see where the money was backing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

"Using their own words documented in reputable sources against them? Republican Russian bot!"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago

Your justification is that you blindly repeated something? K.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago

Nothing even in the article you quoted suggests they raised more than Trump - it even says, the latter was quiet about his amounts raised, plus it's never going to track PAC operations behind the scenes by big corps backing him.

It basically says they were pleased with what they raised, and optimistic about their chances. They're not necessarily clairvoyantly capable of seeing how they're being outspent. And the net result, whatever they expected, is obvious: Money gives optimism, but BIG MONEY trumps that.