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Just to make sure I'm not missing a joke or something, you are declaring the, I can't believe I am writing this, Prime Minister of Israel of being a nazi?
I am drunk and hopefully missing something and apologies if I am.
It feels crazy but yeah - PM of Israel is defending a person giving a Nazi salute. Said PM also involved in genocide.
Can't make this shit up
Again, to be clear you are declaring that Bibi Netanyahu, is a nazi?
(Sorry, this is about the funniest shit I've seen in awhile.)
They are.
Netanyahu is obviously not building gas chambers to gas the jews, but he is overseeing exceptional brutality being done to a group of people, most of whom are innocent. Nazism isn't only about jews, it's about all minorities or other ethnicities than the own one more broadly. Apart from the jews, the Nazis also killed a lot of polish people and anyone they deemed 'deviant'. Just because 'Nazis killed jews' is the only piece of information that stuck to the cultural zeitgeist doesn't mean it's the only thing you should focus on when determining if someone is a Nazi or not.
I wish I could upvote this harder. The Jewish people were subjected to horrific evils, but that wasn't just going to stop with them.
Society did a great job of teaching about the atrocities except to really hammer home that it was the "other" that was the target, not just that single group; they are the first, but wouldn't be the last if the Nazis were allowed to continue.
It didn't just stop with them.
Slavs, gypsies, LGBT people (I guess this one actually happened before Jews), some war prisoners, Communists, blacks, etc were targeted and holocausted too.
That's a good callout on me! I didn't mean to insinuate it was only that group one at a time, so thank you!
Nazis were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.
I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can't just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.
When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we're using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.
Same thing here. Use words that are accurate, genocidal would be a fair one if you believe it but nazi, it just makes you look fucking silly.
And yet when 10% of the population of Israel were out in the streets demanding his removal in 2023 the government did nothing to the protestors. That's decidedly not fascistic. Israel might be horrible but they aren't currently fascistic.
They shot and killed protesters in 2024. In any case, that isn't the deciding factor when considering if something is fascistic or not.
If the state isn't authoritarian they aren't fascist. Israel is a democracy.
You can have elections and still be fascist. Hitler was elected too.
Jesus lord, this is a really really inaccurate take. There was only one election, it was the one in which Hitler took power. There were no more after.
One of the hallmarks of fascism is that it is anti-Democratic.
When Hitler was elected his party was fascist but the state was not.
You can have elections and still be authoritan, if you also have a solid spoonful of political repression. (HINT: shooting protesters and closing news providers is repression)
I mean, it's literally an apartheid state. In what world do you live in?
True but Israel’s elections are free and fair elections. No one is currently claiming otherwise that has evidence to support that claim.
You can hate Israel all you want but they are not an authoritarian state.
They cannot be free and fair. The very fact that it's an apartheid state means segments of the population are not represented fairly.
Technically, palestinians can vote but they must be "citizens of israel" and getting the title is very hard, mainly because Israel makes it difficult. Gaza and most of the west bank cannot vote in national elections.
Any politician that isn't Jewish faces massive discrimination and there are laws to make sure they can't actually lead or gain power.
Take a second to learn what “free and fair elections” means because you are clearly confused as to what it means.
Most nations do not let non-citizens vote so that’s not surprising.
Regardless the only people calling Israel fascist are those people who have zero clue about fascism or the Israeli government.
There is a difference between non-citizens and a population you have kept in prison over decades.
During the apartheid in South Africa, the black population was systematically denied citizenship. Would you consider those fair elections?
But I guess any rhetoric is okay as long as it's in defense of the great genocidal warmongering state of Israel. I'm guessing you have a connection with the nation, but rabidly defending pure evil is always a bad look, even if you were raised to do so.
You seem to be REALLY ignorant about the whole "we don't like them so we don't consider them citizens" strategy that might be one of the oldest authoritarian strategies to leverage xenophobia in the play book...
No, you just seem to have a poor understanding of how governments work. You already are doubling down on your ignorance which is a bad sign.
I don't have any interest trying to correct people who want to cling to ignorance so let's stop here.
They shot and killed protesters in 2024 you wacko, not to mention that is not the deciding factor.
It's a sad truth and I'm not sure why it's funny
Yes. Zionists are nazis. It's not hard.
Racist, expansionist, genicodal fascists heavily into ethnic cleansing and lebensraum. Sound familiar?
It was never about the specific ethnicities, it was about power. Back in the 1930s, Jews made a convenient target - they were isolated and 'other' enough, and they were slowly gaining equality.
The nazis were able to exploit the fear and resentment this caused, declare Jews the great enemy, and ramp up to a campaign of extermination to bolster their power and give cover to their ongoing invasions.
These days, Jewish people aren't occupying the same social niche. You can't exactly get people to riot about Elaine, after all.
However, LGBTQ (especially T) people make a fine substitute in the US, as do Latinx people.
And in Israel, they have the Palestinians to pick on.
It's the same game, same tactics, same everything - only the specific names change.
So one being nazi has to hate jews? He can't be a nazi if he hates something else, but otherwise acts like one?
If you mean literally a "spiritual member" of original Nazi party, then yeah probably, although nazi-germany was also exterminating other groups they saw as genetic garbage.
Definition of a nazi has changed a bit and somewhat fused with general facism.
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. You understood perfectly.
Okay.... Because I'm morbidly curious I guess, uhhh, what exactlt do you think nazis are most famous for? Like if you had to guess say one or two policies (hint, they might have affected gas prices?)
Are you aware that Nazis targeted more than just Jewish people? They rounded up and killed gay people, Romanis, Slavs, and anyone else who wasn't part of their chosen in-group.
So to answer your question: Nazis are most famous for rounding up and killing millions of people whom the Nazis felt were subhuman. They were famous for working to create an ethno-state.
They were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.
I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can't just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.
When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we're using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.
Instead of mass shooting jews, Israel masd bombed palestinians. Both also used starvation as a weapon amd systematic torture
Nazis were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.
I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can't just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.
When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we're using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.
Didn't police beat israeli protesters in Tel aviv for cease fire? Isn't israeli police always beat anti zionism ultra orthodox.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/8/israeli-protesters-bring-tel-aviv-to-a-halt-demand-deal-to-free-captives
https://www.voanews.com/a/stop-the-war-say-israelis-demanding-return-of-gaza-hostages-/7849068.html
Do you really believe protests like these would have been possible in Nazi Germany? Like the Gestapo would've just been "yeah, that's fine."
Is this silliness coming from tik tok or are we really this ignorant nowadays?
Like i already said, many of those protestors was beaten by Israeli police. No matter how much you deny it it is a fact thst israel is using very similar methods as nazi against the group of people they treated as animals deserving to be killed
That wasn't what I asked.
Again, could you see these protests actually happening at all in Nazi Germany?
Yes, there was protests against Nazis during Hitler reign like Rosenstrasse. You keep making minor points and ignoring all the similar terrible stuffs done Israel and the nazis
That's the one protest, as the Reich was falling, reeling from the defeat in Stalingrad. And there were plans floated about simply shooting all the protesters.
Again, it's just nonsense to declare Israel is now a nazi country. Fascism is very different than what Israel is.
Doing terrible things doesn't make one a nazi, and claiming it does makes you look like a child.
I only answered your question, I never said that pretestors in nazi germany was not brutalized. If the comparison was made based on Israel treatment of there own citizens I would agree but here we are talking about Israeli treatment of Palestinians vs Nazi treatment of Jews
If you'll go back to the start, you'll remember the whole thread was about the stupidity of calling Netenyahu a nazi.
By your logic, anyone that attacks a group of people on any group characteristics is a nazi. Which is goddamn nonsense.
I get the appeal of calling people doing bad things nazis, but you sound like a child doing so. Worse, it makes it much more difficult for anyone to take our side seriously. (Same way that it is fucking stupid when trump called Harris a communist.)
My workday is done and you aren't worth my free time.
Have a good weekend.
Natanyaho who compared palestinians to amalek. I never heard such a more clear genocidal statement as that. The bible talks about israelites being asked to kill women, infants and animal. He is responsible of killed ten thousands palestinians, displacing millions and create a famine so yeah the comparison is fair.
No my logic is a group of people trying to genocide or ethenically cleansing another population can be compared to nazis
Trust me nobody would stop being pro palestinian because natanyaho and israel are compared to nazis
I am the one who wasted my time showing all the valid comparisons while you keep bringing irelevant stuffs like democracy. It is reminds me of zionists using the democracy argument to say that there is genocide
I'm very well aware of the Holocaust, thanks. Not only is it taught in schools extremely extensively where I live, but I have family near Kraków, and I've been to (relatively) nearby Auschwitz 4 or 5 times.
You're obviously hinting that someone who is Jewish cannot be a Nazi, but that's categorically untrue.
There were Jewish Nazis in 30s/40s Germany/Austria, and there are Jewish Nazis today.
Netanyahu is genocidal. He is racist. He is trying to create an ethnostate. He is expansionist. He talks of getting rid of undesirables. He defends people literally doing Nazi salutes.
He is a Nazi.
Nazis were also famously fascist, had no elections, had a strong security system to squash internal dissent and brooked no protest, none of which apply to Israel.
I get the appeal of labelling things you oppose as nazis but you can't just pick and choose what aspects fit and then apply the term nazi, it just makes us look dumb.
When someone gets banned from a site and complains that site is run by nazis, if we're using your standard of picking and choosing then that person is as correct as you are as the site is allowing no dissent and removing those who do. But in reality (I pray) we both look at that person and think less of their complaint because of the silliness of their comparison.
If you think what Israel does (genocide, expansionism, racism, building an ethnostate... you know, objectively the actions of a fascist government) is tantamount to banning someone from a website then you are so far gone that it's pointless even trying to reason with you, so I won't bother.
Goodbye.
You are so close to getting it. Yes, comparing the Nazis to banning someone from a website is fucking dumb and makes the person making the comparison look silly.
Using nazi as a perjorative for any group committing an act of genocide is the same.
Comparing what is happening in Gaza with the Holocaust (which is the implicit association you are making when you call groups nazis) is fucking stupid. One was arguably the worst thing in human history whereas what's happening in Gaza is the same sort of thing that's been happening constantly across the globe for decades and is happening in three different places right fucking now.
And the sense of scale is insane. Including all Palestinean deaths, 45k in ~ 15 months of fighting (including civilian and Hamas fighters) you could run these casualty rates for **25 years **and not match the deaths in Auschwitz alone (more than a million, almost entirely civilians.)
Labelling Netenyahu as a nazi demonstrates you are either woefully ignorant of the world beyond your social media feed, or have a literally childlike understanding of relative magnitudes, same way my friend's toddler cries at horrific injustices like bedtime and no candy for dinner, to her these may actually be the worst things she recalls but that's part of being a child.
And of course there's the delightful soupcon of stupidity in calling the leader of the Jewish state a person that literally most famously hates Jews. Just, you look so stupid on so many levels that it makes all us adults who oppose the war look dumber by association. That's why it is infuriating; not only is it a foolish comparison but it makes everyone who is against the war look like a similarly ignorant goof.
You're only reinforcing that you're too far gone to reason with. Like I said, goodbye.
If by too far gone, you mean I have actual current and historical knowledge and that makes your ignorant and facile comparisons harder to sneak by, uhhh, sorry? Knowledge has always been the bane of the purposefully ignorant.
I get using nazi as a perjorative feels cool but goddamn you look foolish and worse, make those who support the cause equally childishly ignorant.
I do hope you'll grow up, read more and not just about what's trending on your social media. Until, well, it's pretty hard to take you seriously but I'd be pretty careful with making bold proclamations from a point of ignorance, just a thought.
Cheers!
Edit: Feeling a bit under the weather, I guess I'll tell the boss I have ebola. As they're both diseases and can be fatal (flu kills thousands a year) so they are clearly the same and distinguishing between the two would make me some sort of far gone medical elitist.
Lol you're either trolling or are a giant moron who thinks basically that:
if X is most famous for Y, then Y must be the definition of X, which is blatantly untrue in most if not all situations, Steve Jobs is famous for "creating the iPhone" but he never did that, nor is the definition of "iPhone creator" - "Steve Jobs". It doesn't even make grammatical sense.
Even on like a blokey common sense level Nazis weren't even most famous for the holocaust to the average room temp IQ ignoramus, they were most famous for WW2.
Epistemology isn't jeapoardy and words have meanings that you can easily look up in your free time on websites like google.com and Wikipedia.org or even a dictionary of your choice to start with, all without wasting time of commenters here.
Blocked.
That's some impressive silliness.