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Nearly all social media is full of ~~eco~~ echo chambers.. I still post and follow stuff on several of the platforms. There is very little nuanced conversation.. Seems like it is more and more just an up vote or downvote storm, or people claiming one thing or another without any supporting evidence.
And that makes me genuinely sad. When I joined Lemmy, I was a little put off by the leftist bent here, but then I realized that I appreciated being challenged on my views, especially since people here are generally nice about it.
I wish I could find something like that for conservatives as well. Better yet, I wish there was a place like Reddit or Lemmy where all views were respected, provided claims are supported with evidence. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be compatible with the world we live in, and that makes me sad.
Seems like there aren't many centrist communities where you can have nuanced discussions.
Hard to find nuance in anything the current government is doing
I honestly don't care about centrism, I care about diversity of ideas with citations for claims. If a left wing or right wing policy is the best for a given situation, I'd love to discuss it.
But failing that, I'll take centrist over either political extreme any day of the week.
Being a Reich Winger is incompatible with rational or thoughtful discussion.
Reich wing ideology boils down to subservience and deference to authority, not knowledge.
You seem to have a very specific definition in mind. There's a lot more to the right wing than fascism.
Reich Wing ideology, the entire thing, relies on subservience and deference to authority. The difference in the various flavors of it are just how much and who.
OK, so you're just going to spout partisan talking points instead of having a productive conversation.
Have a wonderful day.
Of course, discussing political ideology is "partisan"... Its exactly what we're talking about.
And no, they're not just talking points, it's literally how we describe the various systems of political ideology... Reich Wingers look to construct a society around control and subservience. And, like I said, the question of "who" to obey, and how strictly people are to be controlled are what differentiates the various Reich Wing ideologies.
This is a talking point, and you're basically implying everyone on the right believes this, and that's patently false.
That is literally what makes up right wing ideology... Prove me wrong. Because, yes, every Reich Winger thinks that some level of control over others is a requirement of society.
Control of women's bodies.
Control of immigrants.
Control of health care.
Control of religious views.
Control of other countries.
Show me a Reich Winger who doesn't believe that someone needs to control others, and I'll walk that back.
First of all, I want to point out that I'm not registered Republican and haven't voted for a Republican for any executive position for nearly two decades (last time was McCain, though I would've voted for Romney had I voted in 2012). Also, I have voted Republican for other positions very rarely in the last decade or so. In 2020, I voted for Biden because I thought Trump legitimately had a chance of losing my state (still carried it by ~20%), and I voted mostly Democrats for legislative seats this time around because I'm pissed at the gerrymandering my state did recently.
With that out of the way:
Not universal, and something like 36% believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.
Something like 15% believe immigration should increase, and 37% believe it should stay the same. Believing immigration should decrease is a minority opinion among Republicans.
Not sure what you mean by that, Democrats also want to control health care, that's why the ACA exists (they want everyone enrolled in health insurance, which gives the government more control over health care).
If you can be more precise, I can look up some statistics.
About 41% of Republicans believe religious Republicans have too much control over the GOP, and about 27% of Republicans are unaffiliated with any particular religion, 13% are atheist, and 34% say "nothing in particular" (I guess that means areligious).
Trumpism is isolationist, which is the opposite of wanting to interfere w/ other countries. There are a lot of anti-Trump Republicans (in 2019, though they're probably not going to be as vocal this term.
So if you're looking for anti-interference Republicans, look no further than Trump. There are also plenty of anti-interventionist Republicans in the anti-Trump crowd as well.
So yeah, there's a bunch of stats for you. I'm also guessing we'll see those numbers go up quite a bit after Trump's term is up, because a lot of those answers are likely colored by recent rhetoric.
I could list specific politicians if that's what you're looking for, but I find that much less interesting than statistics.
But all of them voted to ban abortion, so they can sod off with "Well, it's not what I believe"...
And yet, they voted to eliminate all non-white immigration. So, again, they can sod off.
The ACA regulated health insurance, not health care. Reich Wingers want health care choices controlled, while de-regulating corporations.
Look up the percentage that voted for Trump, and that's your percentage of people who are Reich Wingers and want to have the state tell humans what health care they can get like:
What percentage of them voted for Trump?
Because that percentage voted for a Christofascist system of government.
Trump is an isolationist. Unless it's:
Sure... "Anti-interference", unless it's a friend of his like Putin, or Assad, etc etc.
Those stats are meaningless. The only stat that matters is who they voted for.
Sure, find me a Reich Winger who isn't what I described. I'm sure they will be a lot like "Trump is really anti-interference!"
No, they voted for someone who voted for something that ended up banning abortion. There are a few steps between most people and actual policy.
Citation needed.
And the health insurance that abides by ACA guidelines determines what forms of health care are covered.
People voted for all sorts of reasons, from the letter next to his name (probably the majority) to BS ads on TV (probably a surprisingly high number) to actually thinking he'll fix inflation (even though that's already fixed by the fed).
Very few people who voted for Trump agree with his entire agenda, and many actively dislike him (source: my entire family, neighbors, etc). You can't really tell someone's policy beliefs based on who they voted for, you can only tell a general direction they'd prefer the country to go, and it seems lower taxes won this round.
And how does that compare to Biden or Harris? Trump wants to end the war in Ukraine, Biden/Harris want to extend it and keep sending weapons over. Trump seems to want to end the war in Gaza, whereas Biden seems happy to keep selling weapons to Netanyahu. Biden has bombed his fair share of people in the middle east.
Trump is absolutely terrible, especially on foreign policy, but Biden has been awful as well. That said, I do support helping out Ukraine since it's a defensive war (though I disagree w/ Biden's authorization to use certain classes of missiles in Russia, since those require direct US involvement; at that point, we should just join the war).
I completely disagree.
Here's an article with a bunch of anti-Trump Republicans still in office. And that's only explicitly confirmed ones, I'm sure there are plenty more who haven't openly opposed Trump, but do intend on opposing some or all of Trump's positions on those issues you listed.
You can probably post on 7.62x54r.ru. Reddit had a decent number of anti-establishment leftists who would join up with conservatives on shared issues. I haven't seen any spaces like that on Lemmy.
Yeah, and that's something I missed about Reddit. I found a few good communities of centrists, open minded leftists, and open minded conservatives, so I could generally join a pretty good discussion. I still needed to watch what I said, because there were some things even open minded people wouldn't consider given their political bias, but a lot of things were fair game.
For example, I could bring up Right to Repair to both groups, and I'd get different reasons for and against it from each group.
Here on Lemmy, I don't get that diversity, either something is compatible with the group's general leftist persuasion, or I get downvoted into oblivion. And that sucks, because I put in a lot of effort to be constructive and challenge the status quo. Fortunately, I usually know before making a statement which way it'll go, and there are no downsides (aside from worse engagement) to getting down votes, so I know what to expect. It does make me sad though.
I'll check out that community though. Not sure what to expect from a .ru domain though as an American...
Happy to see the word “nuance” being used… wish there was more of that too. This whole binary with-me / against-me mentality will bring us all crashing down.
Eco chambers sound like a good thing.
Absolutely not. If for no other reason then you lose the ability to actually argue for your ideas if you're in an echo chamber.
The person was referring to the eco typo in the original post.