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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, I agree. It's far from being perfect anywhere. I'd just say we shouldn't generalize. One thing we need is more transparency in our global supply chain I guess.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, this is Europe-wide and beyond. E.g. in Germany, you then have workers from countries such as Romania etc. Many farmers growing veggies can't afford just paying local people doing the work, even if they wish. Unless people will begin valuing food more again and pay the actual price needed to cover the expences that situation won't change, but I guess most would just go for cheaper products, spend the money on consumer goods, the next holiday, or simply don't have enough themselves once the rent is paid.

Adding to that, being a farmer isn't really a valued job in society. I mean just compare salaries of someone working in IT with someone working on a veggie farm. Says everything. Question is just which of both is more important to survive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is about products from China, produced with forced labour in China, wrongfully labeled as 'Italian'.

And, yes, the conditions in the agri-sector might be bad, they must be improved, which is another reason why we need more transparency in supply chains.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I read it. Inisghtful, I wasnt aware China was involved as much in food deliveries and I'm surprised they grow that amount of actual tomatoes and not tennis balls dipped in red paint.

Just wanted to add my thoughts about that Europe-Discussion because I think there's no point in blaming other countries for something thats not running 100% at home.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I do in no way argue that we can just easily compare labour conditions in Europe with those in China. But the system beneath is the same, and that was my point I guess. It's slavery and exploitation. Difference is maybe the political environment and the degree of human rights.

This food delivery situation is already a huge problem in Europe with monocultures, diseases and climate change and it will get even worse next year, after the floods in Spain.

Absolutely agree that we need more transparency. We need more transparency in oh so much.