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They changed the algorithm on Dec 7, 2016.

Before: https://web.archive.org/web/20161206000344/https://www.reddit.com/

After: https://web.archive.org/web/20161208000333/https://www.reddit.com/

Best guess, based off the vote count differences of those two days, is that if you see a vote with 100,000 count, it's likely closer to 20,000 count (divide by roughly 5 or so).

There was a post about it by KeyserSosa on Dec 6, so it's not some conspiracy or anything.

I figured YSK.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I was there Gandalf...

Before that date their algorithm was soft-locked to around 5k upvotes. If a post was extremely, massively popular it would climb to maybe a bit over 10k but that was insane. There was clearly a logarithmic scaling effect that kicked in after a few thousand upvotes. Not entirely sure why, perhaps to prevent the super-popular stuff from ballooning in some kind of horrible feedback loop.

The change was to uncap the vote counts. One day posts just kept climbing well beyond the 5k mark. Now what they also did was recalculate old posts in order not to fuck up the /top rankings. Kinda. Took a while and I'm not sure they got to every post.

I don't know or care if reddit does vote manipulation, but this ain't proof and I don't see how it is unbelievable that a website with tens of millions MOA would occasionally have a post with 100k+ upvotes.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, OP's post is misleading. Back then, they announced that they will make that change in how votes are displayed.
So they literally did the opposite of what OP is claiming, they started showing real numbers. Those numbers don't seem unrealistic at all to me. Reddit is one of the most popular websites, and the nature of the frontpage will just mean that posts that reach the top will have huge amount of votes.

I don't know why are we still talking about reddit here. I'm pretty sure everyone who is here, already hates it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I use Reddit and Lemmy and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone. I don’t really understand people who treat them as mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I try to treat them as mutually exclusive as in I try really really hard to not use or browse reddit unless absolutely needed. Instead channeling whatever interaction I do into lemmy.

You ever hear of voting with your wallet? Well on the internet you vote with your attention and interaction. Whatever site you use and contribute to inevitably grows in content value from your discussions (if you are one of the few who actually post and writes well thought out comments).

Im a prideful nerd who believes people should be willing to sacrifice convinence or protest against something indefinitely if they really believe in the cause. Theres many parts of lemmy I don't like but its core tenants of decentralized federation and non-profit community operated social internet services run with open source software speaks to me enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t necessarily disagree but I feel such actions are only meaningful when undertaken as part of a large, organized movement. There is no such movement currently. My presence or absence on Reddit is of little consequence individually.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I understand the sentiment and agree that an individuals abstenance or lack there ofay not have an visible impact on the macroscale. Reddit will exist and be used with or without me or 10,000 like me.

I judge myself by my own actions and their relation to my personal philosophies. If I violate my priciples or don't even try to uphold them then what kind of person am I? Someone who talks the big talk to get in on a morally superior circle jerk but won't walk the walk when nobody's looking, thats who. And thats wrong, to me. Even if nothing else is achieved through reddit abstinence, I do feel good about upholding my personal values by participating in a personal protest. It matters to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This recalculation happened shortly after reddit went closed source. I don't think we should trust their word that they had all of a sudden 'fixed' the problem, whose fix just so happened to really drive their stock value.

It's not misleading, it's the reality of what happened. Their public post was PR justification. It was about that point on that every decision they made was for $ and not for transparency.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What does MOA stand for in this context?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

In the context of the sentence I’m guessing it was a typo for MAU, monthly active users.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Was gonna say, I explicitly recalled it being the removal of the scaling algo, so if anything the current vote counts (this has possibly changed since that 2016 adjustment) are more accurate. Reddit has a massive userbase, and posts in default subs are naturally going to get upvoted substantially. There's no real viral algorithm to reddit, you just see things that are upvoted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

don’t know or care if reddit does vote manipulation

It does, showing random vote numbers on posts when you refresh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I figured most people here knew about it, but also just as many probably forgot about it, at least deep in the memory banks. ;)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Your explanation says that a post with 100k actually has 20k. What this guy is saying is that it does actually have 100k.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's impossible really to say. This was their official code citation:

Over the past few months, we have carefully recomputed historical votes on posts and comments to remove outdated, unnecessary rules.

I mean on the face of it, maybe they were telling the truth?

But they are a for profit corporation, and that year forward was when the enshittification really began. I guess I just have little reason to believe that they didn't just alter the algorithm to make it look like there was more engagement than there was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ah cool, a machine by Goldberg

Really talented guy.