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Depending on how the next four years go I'm on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I'd like to hear from you

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

What's wrong, snowflake, are you triggered by this conversation? Don't worry, if his cabinet succeeds in their plans to eliminate vaccines and shut down life-saving agencies such as NWS, you'll get to see genocide at home. And even though he hasn't eliminated the department of education yet, there's a chance you may already be one of the victims of the conservative agenda.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

In addition to what everyone else has said to point out how absurd it is to put Trump in the top 5 worst presidents, there's also the fact that almost every significant Trump policy was continued or worsened by Biden. Even the ones that democrats pretended to care about when it suited their agenda like kids in cages, building the wall, and increasing fossil fuel extraction. So if you want to talk about all the ways Trump is an evil piece of shit (which he most certainly is) to put him in the top 5 worst, then you had better make sure Biden is even higher on that list.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 6 hours ago

im not even amerikkkan lol get a life you weird loser?

[โ€“] [email protected] 25 points 7 hours ago

Trump's not even bad by republican standards, he's just vulgar and baffoonish. Replace him with Jeb! or Ron DeSantis or your garden variety Republican and you'd get the same defunding, same deregulation and same enshittification as him, just more subtle.

Come back when he's killed a million Iraqi civilians over fictional WMDs or getting several million people addicted then dead over opioids by deregulating prescription.

He didn't commit war crimes in Vietnam, spill over to Laos and Cambodia. Come back when he pardons the perpetrators of My Lai. Come back when he interns Japanese and nukes civilians. Come back when he Manifests Destiny.

Top 5 my ass

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

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[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You have grossly misread the intent of that comment, chief. She's saying that putting Trump in top 5 worst (atm) downplays America's historical atrocities such as invading Vietnam, killing 20% of the population of North Korea, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, etc

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Sorry, I wasn't looking at it in terms of just the senseless loss of lives, but also how much damage was being done at home. Yeah there's a lot of hard lines there to cross but Trump has made a policy of tearing the nation apart instead of trying to bring people together, and that weighs a lot to me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

WTF, I love Trump now.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 5 hours ago

Imagine it being a bad thing to tear apart an evil empire

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

If it's about domestic damage, then every president who owned slaves or supported segregation still beats him.

E: Also every president who was involved in the genocide of the indigenous peoples of America to an extent more than Trump (IE he probably ties Biden and Obama on this).

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago

Even by that metric he isn't the worst.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 5 hours ago

critical support to Trump collapsing the genocidal American empire

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

uh lets see,

  1. Andrew Jackson
  2. Harry S. Truman
  3. William McKinley
  4. George W. Bush
  5. Woodrow Wilson

pretty easy if you actually read a book

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

I'm still on the fence about W. just because he didn't really do anything on his own, he just took the excuse to continue his daddy's war. I think if Sr. had gotten another term in office he would have ramped things up, but either way I think the family as a whole pushes up there on the list.

For the rest of the list... yeah it's not hard to find a lot of presidents who have killed a lot of people. However the original question was about the worst president overall, which to me includes the damages done here at home. Trump is high on my list simply because of how far back he has set us in terms of equal rights, moving beyond the pettiness of racism, dealing with important things like the unfolding climate disaster, and his nonchalant attitude that Palestine and Ukraine need to just surrender because being in the news cycle is inconvenient to him. Looking at Trump's agenda of just how much he wants to destroy things here, I find it concerning that the only thing stopping him is a few Republicans that still have a moral compass.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

his nonchalant attitude that Palestine and Ukraine need to just surrender because being in the news cycle is inconvenient to him.

Motivations aside, if he really does want Ukraine to "just surrender" (which remains to be seen beyond rhetoric) then it's one of the only good positions he has. Ukraine 100% needs to surrender. Absolutely nothing good comes from it continuing to fight. It only means more death and emisseration of working people and more profits for the military industrial complex. It's honestly rather repulsive when people lump Palestine and Ukraine together like that as if they're even remotely the same thing. One is fighting a deeply asymmetric struggle of survival against their own genocide by a settler colonial ethnostate that seeks to eradicate them from the earth, the other is a nazi coup government fighting a proxy war for imperialists that uses their own working class as cannon fodder in a conflict that could have been resolved years ago with no loss of life.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Republicans that still have a moral compass

Lib status confirmed. They don't have a moral compass lmao they just don't like him saying the quiet part out loud

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago

terminal West wing brain lol

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

He single-handedly launched the war on terror tf are you talking about

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still on the fence about W.

Don't worry, if his cabinet succeeds in their plans to eliminate vaccines and shut down life-saving agencies such as NWS, you'll get to see genocide at home.

So it's ok when it's happening to the browns? Fucking racist shit heel, liberals are all the same under whatever facade they're mouthing off about.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Do they? I wouldn't know, the only racists I've ever met were conservatives. Dems at least try to pass laws beneficial to everyone and not just rich white folks. But Liberals? No clue, I don't pay much attention to them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Dems, you mean the ones that were willing to throw immigrants in the trash and give Republicans everything they wanted wrt the border so they could fund a war directly leading to ww3? The ones also willing to throw as much money as possible and ignore the most popular position in their own constituency (permanent ceasefire) to allow Israel to keep killing Palestinians? The ones that intentionally barred Palestinians from speaking at their conventions? The ones that immediately turned to blaming Muslims, Mexican immigrants, and black people when they lost the election? OH YEAH THEY DEFINITELY TRY FUCKING MORON

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

Scratched liberal.