Bringing the ruling class into it... I don't get it.
The idea that humans and human progress are inherently destructive is a lie told by the ruling class because getting people to believe it benefits them. Among other things it absolves them of their own crimes of destruction while simultaneously blaming the rest of us and our positive traits for those crimes. Somewhat ironically it's a lie that helps lead to more destruction. See my other response to u/Sagittari.
Maybe could've done without the "The fuck are you on?" though I guess
To me it's honestly a disgusting thing to claim that human progress and creativity is all based on destruction when in reality it's the exact opposite. I don't think my response was at all over the top given how harmful of a sentiment I think that is.
This stuff matters. Our biosphere is facing destruction at human hands but not because of our desire to create and build things, not because of our ability to express ourselves through our ingenuity to shape stone and wood. Those are not "destructive traits" but profoundly constructuve attributes. The destruction on the scale that it's happening now to both the environment and much of human culture is because of, like I said, a social pathology that's rooted in a system that rewards greed instead of trying to prevent it. It is a pathology that tries to equate greed and destruction with the creative aspects of human nature... just like the comment I responded to was doing. It's a lie. Even if someone who has fallen for it may be well-meaning, they're still perpetuating a very harmful (and destrctive!) misconception. So I think it deserves a strong, even emotionally-charged critical response.
The fuck are you on? "Destroy" stone? There is a vast gulf of difference between altering something, including in creative and constructive ways, and "destruction." Most of us know the difference today and our ancestors certainly knew the difference. Human labor is in general a constructive force even if it can be used to destructive ends. Saying that "our willingness to destroy is the trait that powered our rise" is ahistorical nonsense and anti-human drivel. But it sounds an awful lot like the lying justifications the small subset of the current ruling class likes to use as an excuse and justification to exploit us and actually destroy our environment for the sake of their own narrow profit and greed. But that's no more of a universal human trait than any other disgusting pathology that a select few are afflicted with.
What you're doing isn't realism, dipshit, it's denialism.
You have nothing to feel guilty about. Pirating is literally the more moral thing to do.
Sounds like your daughter is at just the right age to start learning a new language? (Half joking) 
It wasn't because the fascists thought they were fighting Jews (in this case), it was because most of the Chechen soldiers were Muslim, who also have prohibitions on using or consuming pigs. It was of course typical nazi-style petty racism, but it was specifically about targeting Muslims.
Not everyone in the audience is that.
For sure, and I hope it didn't look like I was implying that. It's why I made a point to say that "some of us reading" appreciate your commentary. The "lying, willfully ignorant" thing was referring specifically to Unruffled and empireOfLove who you and robinnn were replying to respectively. The long process of questioning propaganda and the widening cracks that you describe is similar to my own experience, and I even commented recently about how the purpose of debating people in these online threads is rarely to change the mind of the person you're arguing with, but rather to speak to the audience and plant the seeds that their doubt will hopefully grow from over time.
It's not that they "don't have the balls" to do the right thing, it's that they have a vested interest in doing the wrong thing. The US isn't just failing to prevent genocide or punish those responsible, they are helping to conduct it.
I just want to thank you and @[email protected] for the time and effort you put into these heavily-sourced and informative comments. Even if these lying, willfully ignorant shitlibs can't appreciate it because it so clearly demonstrates how wrong they are and how little they know, some of us reading do appreciate it. I've learned a lot as a result and am better equipped to help others who might be willing to try to better understand the situation too.
return to monke.
To be clear, where I was using the word "them" I meant the ruling class, not people in general. I see how some of my sentences weren't worded well.