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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

I am confused, my thought process went like this:

So it's more expensive to own then rent?

Unless you own it and rent it out to others?

Nobody would be a landlord if a dwelling cost more to maintain then to rent out.

So something doesn't add up.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

Most landlords bought the place earlier when home prices and mortgage rates were lower, or they just own the place outright and don't make any mortgage payments.

This article is about choosing whether to buy at current rates or rent at current rates. If you bought a place 10 years ago for half the price it's worth now and a 2% interest rate then you're probably going to be paying less then renting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

When you mortgage a home as an investment property, you are leveraging your money 5-1 (on a 20% down payment)

If rent covers 90% of the mortgage, you still make an absolutely huge profit amortized over the loan.

If you consider the tax incentives (interest write off, depreciation, capital gains deferment, pass through deduction) the gap in the rent can be covered.

Consider paying 50k down on a 250k house, the. Paying an additional 15 percent over the life of the loan (around 40k) to cover for gaps in rent.

Over the life of the loan you turned 90 grand into 250 grand (and a house is an appreciating asset, so it will likely be worth more than 250 by the end of it all)

Deduct depreciation (value of the home minus land value over 27.5 years) and carry over losses can even make up for the gap of rent you pay entirely over time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is exactly the kind of math that normal people don't get when it comes to this conversation. Every industry has some convoluted, obscure, non-intuitive way to actually make money when it doesn't sound like you should. You have to think in different ways and in longer terms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even then though, it's not as amazing as it seems. Real estate is not the only sector that can make profits on leverage. In fact, pretty much any publicly traded company relies on leverage and debt. If you buy a share of an index fund, you're buying shared of companies, most of them taking advantage of the same leverage you would when buying a rental property.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But basically no broker is going to give you a million in margin on a 200k account, and you don't get margin called on mortgages (typically) the way you do with margin accounts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

You missed the point. My point is that even if you buy stock on 100% equity, 0 margin trading, you still are investing on margin. You are investing on margin because those company stocks you are buying themselves used these leverage techniques in their own operations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

This is only looking at a point in time, not the life of the loan. In the US at least, we have fixed rate loans (many countries do not have that). So your "rent" when you mortgage a home is fixed for 30 years. When you rent, your rental costs increase with inflation every year. While it might be 14% higher to mortgage than rent right now, in a few years your mortgage will stay the same while your rent will have increased. Yes, there are repair/maintenance costs, but after 5 years or so you are saving enough per month to pay for those repairs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I believe they are taking into account the cost to purchase these days since interest rates are higher, ergo high mortgage payments.

As someone else mentioned most landlords have locked in rates at this point. Not many new landlords.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I agree, and came in here to say the same thing. I think the data is being skewed by the fact that many (not all, of course) rental properties are subdivided into multiple units (or built that way in the first place). People commenting about how it's considering modern costs, well, they must not have read the first two sentences of the article:

On paper, owning a home is almost always more expensive than renting — about 14% more, on average, after factoring in expenses like insurance, taxes, and upkeep.

But the difference has grown much more extreme in recent years as just about all homeownership costs have ballooned.

The only way you can arrive at that 14% number is if you're averaging in multi-unit apartment buildings. Very few, if any, landlords are out there subsidizing their non-family tenants by charging less than the normal costs of ownership. If most landlords are losing money year over year, well... at that point just sell the property.