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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or maybe they should just leave the Democratic party and start a new progressive party? We have less than 4 years, but that's also the most time we'll ever have.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The problem with that strategy is that our democracy uses a first-past-the-post voting system which trends towards a two-party system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&t=31s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then become one of the two parties.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

There already are two. We must co-opt one with a populist candidate. The Republican Party was already hijacked by Trump. That leaves the Democratic Party.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Bernie tried twice, Democrats demonstrated their ability to stop that shit in its tracks. It will not work.

The only solution is for progressives to abandon the Party and start their own to replace it. The US has replaced parties before, it can be done again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Trump tried once and it worked. Neoliberal ideas are entrenched in the minds of Americans. Neoliberalism only allows change to the people in charge of systems as it asserts, incorrectly, that our institutions are flawless. Since neoliberals only consider changing people, it is much easier for a fascist to convince a neoliberal to change the people in society. Where as it is much harder for a progressive or a socialist to convince a neoliberal to enact systemic change or redistribute wealth respectively.

In short, people with neoliberal ideas in their head need to fully internalize neoliberalism as a scam.

Abandoning the Democrats will not result in them being replaced. They will continue to exist by moving further to the right, as Democrats like Chris Murphy have already proposed.

Starting a successful third party is mathematically impossible under a FPTP system. Third party candidates can only be spoiler candidates.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Democrat establishment wants power and for that they have to win elections. So having an anti establishment candidate is preferable to them over a Republicans victory. If anything good came out of the last election, it is that Trump as horrible as he is can still win elections against an establishment Democrat, so the Democrats have to change.

Also changing the parties does not work. The problem is systematic and the US really needs to change its election system, to get better politics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They sure didn't look like they wanted to win this election.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They switch candidates in the middle of the campaign, because Biden's polling was that bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

And then Harris did everything she could to reassure everyone she was exactly like Biden, completely defeating the strategy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Third party doesn’t work. You have to do what trump did, 1 man coup from the inside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Apparently Republican voters are gonna set the mark at R regardless of who it is, so how about having someone like Bernie run in the Republican primary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It didn't work with Bernie for more reasons than the parties resistance. A lot of people on the left that dislike the party don't seem to understand that you still have to join the party and get involved with it if you want the party to move left. Party members and active involved people shape where the party goes. We absolutely can shift the Dems left, but it means holding our noses and becoming the party. The Dems have always been an open door, big tent, party. Walk into the tent and change minds...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Dems didn't let a single Palestinian-American speak at the DNC this year. The tent is big enough for Cheney, not us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Yeah, the Dems are made up of scared moderates, because the left has completely abandoned politics and conceded all their power. If you want the party to move left, become the party. It really isn't mystical or complicated, power goes to those that take it. The left would rather stand on the outside looking in be cause at least they can complain and blame everyone else but themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have already seen a third party take over a major party. The current problem with the GOP is because it absorbed the Tea Party.

With the right symbol to rally behind, we can do the same thing to the Democratic party. We need to build the Guillotine Party.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (30 children)

Oh, I'm all for ranked choice voting, but in order for it to have any meaning we also need a plurality of parties. They also need time to build and I'm sure these two would start a good one if allowed.

Although the likelihood of political parties having any weight at all past January is anyone's guess..

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