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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both Classical Liberalism and Neoliberalism are at their core capitalist ideologies. While the Republican party is more conservative in both social and economic issues, both parties still operate within the framework of neoliberalism.

In America we only have the Democrat and Republican Parties which are usually labeled as Liberal and Conservative respectively. Since the Democratic party is relatively left of the Republican party, we see the conflation of the label Liberal and Left in American politics. But that's not really accurate when looking at the Ideologies of the parties.

There is Social Democracy, which is still a capitalist ideology where some of the profits are redirected towards social welfare. This is more common in Western Europe and will still rachet towards Fascism.

Leftist ideologies, such as Socialism and Anarchism are fundamentally anti-capitalist, unlike liberalism and neoliberalism. Richard Wolff explains socialism and capitalism very well.

On Liberalism:

What is neoliberalism? A political scientist explains the use and evolution of the term

Liberalism and Neoliberalism

How the Democrats Traded the New Deal for Neoliberalism

On Leftist ideologies:

Noam Chomsky on Anarchism, Communism and Revolutions

Capitalism, Global Poverty, and the Case for Democratic Socialism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well if soc dems aren't left then i guess I'm not left.

I didn't know we were taking anything left of soc dem seriously yet, as we haven't proven any sort of successful means of governing people that far left.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Worker cooperatives already exist. I recommend reading or listening to Richard Wolff about what differentiates socialism and capitalism from each other.

Social Democracy is State-regulated Private Capitalism. The same contradictions between the Capital owners and workers still exist, leading to the same problems. This is why we also see a rise in Fascism in Western Europe.

Securing social democratic reforms of the sort won in the 1930s (such as taxation of corporations and the rich to support mass social services and jobs) requires much more than mere state regulation of private capitalism. The forces behind private capitalism mobilized to retake full control of the state in ways designed to preclude any repeat of New Deal or social democratic responses to crises.

Richard D. Wolff | Socialism Means Abolishing the Distinction Between Bosses and Employees

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Worker cooperatives can't run an entire country. They can barely run a single business, but only if the business is small.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not true. It's simply a democratic structure. All workers share in ownership instead of a private few. Profits are not horded, they are reinvested into either more compensation for the workers or into the business. If you think Democracy can't run a country I disagree.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm familiar with the concept, you don't need to explain it. I'm just saying it can't work in the real world yet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It does work though?

For example Duralex, a famous French glass tableware/kitchenware manufacturer, started transitioning to a worker cooperative in July of this year. This is a company that has like 25 million euros in revenue per year (2023), so I don't think we can consider it "small".

This was approved by the Commercial Court of Orléans fyi and I don't think they'd have done that if it "can't work in the real world".

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

As I said before, it can work for small businesses but not for countries. Country governance was the original topic of this thread.