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I think you're forgetting the part where Clinton paid off the DNC's debts and became it's only financial lifeline, for which DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz abdicated control of party to Clinton's team long before she secured the nomination.. Or that the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted, giving voters the impression the primary was over before voting finished. Or that the DNC argued in court that they had no obligation give Bernie a fair, democratic primary. Or that Representatives Ford and Smith admitted the party did coalesce around Biden in 2020 to block Bernie. Or that polls had Bernie beating Trump by a wider margin than Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020.
Did you forgot the part where it came down to just bernie vs biden in 2020 and people overwhelmingly voted for biden?
I like bernie too, but he wasn't gonna get the pick
Edit: I have angered the bernie bros
Except it wasn't just him and Bernie. It was also Warren, so the progressive vote was spit, while the centrist vote was coordinated around Biden. Nice try though!
Biden made more than bernie and warren combined in alot of states. If bernie was meant to be, more people would have voted for him, plain and simple.
You're right, I forgot that Bloomberg was still in and running a campaign entirely designed to block Bernie. Nothing says, "Democracy," like an oligarch entering an election and using his personal wealth to undermine another candidate, right?
Bloomberg was a joke. Can blame it on everything you like, bernie was still never getting presidency in 2020. People picked Biden over him.
Oh, I get to blame it on anything I like? Really? Then I'm going to blame it on Democratic party that was actively working against Sanders, a coordinated effort to anoint Biden after he won South Carolina, an actively hostile media, and a billionaire who spent his on money on anti-Bernie ads. There were more headwinds against Bernie in those primaries than there were against Hillary, Biden, and Kamala in the general. Stop pretending that it was just, "people picked Biden," FFS.
All these sources of intentional corruption against someone running to improve the lives of all Americans and not just a select few, and you just go "Hmm, but he was losing according to the media that lied to us, so he lost fair and square."
I see how many people didnt vote for him. How is the media lying about that?
You could argue that media was against him, but the truth is that people in america just aren't that progressive. I mean hell, look at how terrible the dem turnout was this year compared to last election.
So when the media is against you, people see it as a bad candidate, and don't vote. Even when he was never a monster, but Trump got more air time saying "Mexicans bring rape".
Democrats aren't progressives. Maybe if they were, they wouldn't lose all the time.
"If they just had my opinions (that are unpopular to the US population at large), they would win."
Yeah, except progressive positions are broadly popular. Raising billionaire and corporate taxes? Popular. Single-payer healthcare? Popular. Universal Basic Income?Popular. Bernie Sanders? Still pretty fucking popular!
Meanwhile, how popular was the flaccid centrist platform the Democrats put up this year? Is Kamala gonna be president? Are they gonna keep the Senate? Is the house looking good? No? Then maybe it's time for all the popularity experts in the Democratic party to shut the fuck up.
Data? In an argument with a data denial weirdo? Good luck on convincing this weirdo.
I'm just so fucking tired of hearing why the policies that I and most of the country want are unpopular from people who can't win a fucking election.
Yep. Maybe whenever we're allowed elections again we'll have a candidate with polices that people like. Thanks Harris!
And yet the party that runs exactly contrary to all those issues just won the election... Polls are great and all, but polling the general population and polling likely voters and exit polls are all very different things lmfao.
Coming back to add that these are polls of democrats for the most part, which only make up 30% of the voting population.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
Sometimes, the people that do this shit for a living (not me, but the so called popularity experts you have such disdain for) know more about this than non-experts, just as physicists tend to know more about physics than a rando off the street.
The party that ran a populist message won. When their economic situation is dire, people turn to populist leaders. When there's no populist movement in the left (usually some for of socialist/labor movement) they turn to right-wing populism (fascism). Democrats spent the last 12 years stamping out any kind of pro-labor movement that started in their party in favor of neoliberal centrism, and now their losing to right-wing facism.
Edit: Oh, just saw the shit you added! You know, when a physicist finds out that their experiment contradicts their hypothesis, they have to admit their theory is wrong! They don't just run the exact same experiment again in 8 years and expect a different outcome. That's why physics is a real science and political science isn't!