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Europe’s Greens ask Jill Stein to pull out of US election to prevent Trump victory (www.politico.eu)

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Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.

“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication

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[+] [email protected] -18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a post I made earlier:

If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.

https://lemmy.world/post/21147692

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Green party isn't a party worth anyone's heart. It's all a big grift funded by conservatives that only puts any effort into the scammy presidential run. I don't want more of that, I want progressives that challenge moderate Democrats in safe seats to give people a real option to move left.

I'm in Hawaii, and we're solid blue but last election the Greens had a whole of 2 candidates across the entire state. Some random party I'd never heard of had more candidates on the ballot. My state rep won with something like 2000 votes, no Green challenger in sight. If the Greens were a real party they'd jump on that opportunity. A little sweat and door knocking can pull off 2000 votes. Hell, we have Ed fucking Case in Congress. I'd kill to vote against him, but my only other option is a MAGA conspiracy theorist.

The GPUSA isn't a real party.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

wp:2020 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results

wp:Howie Hawkins

Howard Gresham Hawkins III[1][2] (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist, environmental activist, and perennial candidate from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins was the party's presidential nominee in the 2020 presidential election. His ideological platform includes enacting an eco-socialist version of the Green New Deal—which he first proposed in 2010—and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the country's two major political parties, and capitalism in general.[3]

wp:2024 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results

Apparently RFK, Jr isn't on the Hawaiian ballot, though your state has write-ins.

slim pickings here:

wp:2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii

however,

wp:2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii#Results 2

Aloha ʻĀina

Jonathan Hoomanawanui

6453 votes

2.37%

wp:Aloha ʻĀina Party

The Aloha ʻĀina Party (Hawaiian for "love of the land") is a political party in the US state of Hawaiʻi that advocates for the Hawaiian sovereignty movement and the promotion of Native Hawaiian culture.[1][2]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

The fuck...?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why on earth would you feel compelled to educate me about my local politics by pulling up some wiki pages and then refusing to even format your message? And why the fuck would anything in this post indicate RFK might be someone to vote for? The theoretical appeal of the Greens is progressivism, not the unfortunate antivax shit that's glommed onto it.

And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot, which may sound good to you because you know nothing about Hawaii, but is something in the vague realm between nutjob sovereign citizen types and conservatives that can't bear to be Republicans due to history.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

(my bold)

Why on earth would you feel compelled to educate me about my local politics by pulling up some wiki pages and then refusing to even format your message?

and,

And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot,

TIL

And why the fuck would anything in this post indicate RFK might be someone to vote for?

I don't know, but it might be saying something about ballot acess laws in Hawaiʻi.

The theoretical appeal of the Greens is progressivism, not the unfortunate antivax shit that’s glommed onto it.

fair enough.

And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot, which may sound good to you because you know nothing about Hawaii, but is something in the vague realm between nutjob sovereign citizen types and conservatives that can’t bear to be Republicans due to history.

according to WP:

According to its website, the Aloha ʻĀina party advocates for a sovereign Hawaiʻi through the framework of hoʻoponopono ("making right what is wrong"), believing the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom to have been an unjust act. It also promotes other Hawaiian values such as Mālama ʻĀina ("taking care of the land") and Aloha Kānaka ("love and care for the people").[2]

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Dude, I live here. I looked them up when I saw them and read the same dumb statements you're copypasting from Wikipedia. Which, surprise surprise, is not the whole fucking story. You don't live here and don't know anything about the politics here, so stop relaying useless wiki text.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂

We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris' campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris' position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.

Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.

So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.

Tell them you'll vote third party over x.
Follow through if you're in a deep blue state.
Hedge your bet by voting Democrats down ballot.
Always lie to pollsters about your intent for any given candidate. The less reliable polls are the better. Means your letters to your politicians are more important.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are you saying that if Stein dropped out, her supporters would have voted for De la Cruz?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

possibly. cruz is a little bit too nutty. might have also left the presidential ticket empty. I probably would have gone the latter route. jill was just amusing due to the harris campaign trying to get her rejected from ballots.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Learn to read:

The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart.

You don't counter this with "we don't really care about the Green party". Go repeat your argument somewhere that makes sense. I don't care about the 5D chess you think you're playing.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm sorry you made an assumption about what jill stein represents to people like me who checked that box knowing full well who she is, what she represents and that it made your entire argument fall flat. 🤷

Its not my fault you don't get why harris is a shit candidate. we've been warning you for months now. thats why harris is struggling. not because of anything jill has done. I certainly didn't make the democrats try to ban jill from ballots. now she just represents a convenient protest vote. if harris loses in the next 5ish days after the ballots finish being counted, well it certainly will be unfortunate. I'm 🤞 she doesn't but we tried to get her to change her policies before it was too late.