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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This community is overmoderated, they frequently remove slightly offtopic comments. You can see this in the modlog.

But in this case there were some really extreme comments calling for violence.

I will report your comment because it's also noise, and they will remove it I'm sure.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Now I won't do it. ๐Ÿง

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I will remove my comments anyway. I don't agree with your moderation policy, so I don't comment here as frequently as before, and remove most of my comments after some day as a protest.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

While I can't stop you, please do not do that.

As to your criticism of overmoderating: I am not removing every off-topic discussion either. What I am sometimes doing is removing comments that just say "Good." or "Bad.", etc., especially if it's the third such comment under that particular post. I don't find these helpful. I am open to no longer doing that.

As to posts from you that I removed:

  • There was a meme early on โ€” which we ultimately decided is content better suited for !YUROP, the rule was made in response to your meme, I think. That was really unfortunate.
  • You also posted a video of right-wing ultras shouting "Palestine" โ€” which I removed I wasn't sure what message to take from it, as it was basically uncommented. I also wouldn't want to moderate in a community of uncheckable raw footage where I don't know whether it is manipulated. โ€” Quite honestly, I don't know what mods in war-related communities like the various versions of !Ukraine do.
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I really appreciate a mod that takes the time to discuss specifics of removed content. I think the same way on removing lazy comments like 'Good' or 'Germany evil'.

On the other hand I saw in the modlog a reason to remove being 'Trolling'. The specific comment ironically suggested Germany enjoys producing genocide. The comment could have been more elaborated, but I think the irony is more important than the truthness of the statement.

If we are not allowed to confront genocide with even sarcasm, what else can we do besides crying?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

That's exactly what I call overmoderation. The upvote-downvote system should deal with that.

Banning nazis, and what you did in this comment section was correct, and I think that's what mods should do. But deleting random things you call noise and deleting comments which are actually related to the topic, but not in the format you want (not in English or not text but images) will kill this community on the long run.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

On desktop, sidebar of the community -> Modlog button. This link is on their instance: https://feddit.org/modlog/5765