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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like "do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?", but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it's in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?

Edit: To respond to everyone saying I'm full of shit, and that carjackings aren't common, there were more than 500 carjackings in NYC alone in 2021. New Orleans had 281 in 2021. 800 carjackings in Philly in 2021. 1800 carjackings in Chicago in 2021. Tell me, is that not enough carjackings to warrant asking my question?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How the fuck do you figure that's "extremely common"? You need to spend less time on the Internet my dude ..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I've provided data for you in my original comment.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's definitely not extremely common.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You guys are talking past one another. It's extremely common at a population level insofar as its happening literally many times per day at the population level. It is not extremely likely at the individual level because the vehicle miles driven per carjacking is massive with most people never getting car jacked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I've provided data for you in my original comment.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes. I've provided data for you in my original comment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only thing I'd be curious about with these numbers is car jackings vs the amount of cars/drivers on the road. That would give a percentage and let us know how common it is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

And how many of the carjackings were high-value targets like delivery vans, or in sketchy high-crime parts of the city.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

500 carjackings in NYC in a year? Oh the humanity.

There's literally a million cars on the road on any given day just in lower Manhattan.

Get a sense of scale.

10k pedestrians get hit by cars and trucks in NYC every year and you're worried about the health and safety of 500 carjackers (probably fewer, given potential for repeat offenders). What in the actual fuck?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I suppose they're extremely common in comparison to other countries. I've never heard of them happening in mine since the 90s when we actually had violent crime.

We still have car theft, it's just that they get stolen while parked.

Extremely common in absolute terms? Hell nah, there are a lot of unpleasant things more likely to happen to you in the US than carjackings.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If an AI car ever has to make a decision on who dies, the answer should always be "whoever agreed to the terms and conditions before they got in the vehicle".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

And there it is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This will never be the case. Because nobody will buy an overpriced "yo, if there's ever any doubt about, like, anything - just put a bullet in my head" machine. So nobody will sell it.

Face it - you have the same thousands of pounds of metal today, and you're the only one making decisions. You (drivers, as a community) have killed before, for selfish reasons: because you don't want to die is the least selfish of them. Other hits include "didn't wanna not get drunk with the homies", "I really needed to answer that text" and "I have 10 minutes till home but the game starts in 5, it's my favorite team, I can make it". And you somehow seem to want non-drivers (passengers of AI cars) to have the same expectation that they will be a victim even when they get a car?

Drivers are so self-centered it's goddamn ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'm talking about pedestrians, not other drivers.

If autonomous vehicles can't be trusted not to run people over, then they shouldn't be allowed to go above like 20mph in a built up area where there's likely to be people walking about. And frankly neither should human drivers, but good luck not getting them to call it a "war on motorists" if you try.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah yes, drivers are self-centered for checks notes not wanting pedestrians to be hit by self-driving cars

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah man. I'll rephrase:

Drivers are self-centered because:

  • they are one of the leading causes of death, and they convinced the world their convenience is worth it
  • they believe that they literally know better than AI and are better suited to have power over life and death
  • they're out here tryna say passengers of AI cars should sign up to die automatically, when drivers are actually the ones who are today responsible for all deaths by car

I made it easier to understand, hope it helps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

At present most drivers do know better than most driving AIs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Surely you can just take over? You can't expect the car to run people over for you lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Waymo car wouldn't let the woman take over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I misread before I commented, I didn't know robot taxis were a thing, Jesus...