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While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves.
By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive.
Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese.
In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation.
Was this lecture aimed at me or someone else?
definitely aimed at you, but also edifying for anyone who might think the USA was solidly on the side of good during the war. The US entered the war in 41, but they refused Stalin's repeated requests to open a second front against Germany. They went to north africa first and then italy, waiting until the German eastern front had nearly collapsed before landing in Normandy. The US was essentially racing against the red army, trying to prevent the soviet union from liberating the entirety of europe under the banner of liberation for humankind. Once the US reached Germany and peace began, the US almost immediately formed NATO and appointed Nazi war criminals into its upper ranks while putting nazi war ciminals in charge of west germany. The yankee government is bad and always has been. throughout all of its history it only has made good choices when it has been dragged kicking and screaming.
two fucking years late because they were too cozy with the nazis
4 years; the war started in 1937 with Japan's invasion of China.
Do you have any specific book recommendations on this?
Oh, for God's sake - piss off, tankie. If you want to willfully misinterpret history to suit your Stalin fetish, go do it with your own kind.
-Historical illiteracy coupled with utter smugness
-Ego too fragile to stand being corrected
-Weird homophobia and sexual projection in response to feeling challenged
-"Your own kind"
Yup, it's liberal time
Stop projecting, tankie.
Lol you guys say "tankie" like it's a fucking reflex. Go read some books, jesus christ.
If I was a tankie I'd hate being called a tankie, too. Grifting becomes difficult if people actually have a word to describe your grifting, no?
No one here gives a shit about being called a tankie lmao it looks exactly as goofy as when conservatives call everything they don't like "woke"
Riiight... that's why the tankie hive mind goes into hysterics every time somebody uses that word.
Riiight.
The "tankies" were right about Hungary and they are right now too, Bidenist trash.
Yeah, that's your ideology, tankie... repressing the working class "for their own good." There's no need to explain it to me - I already know.
Which people, the holocaust collaborators doing pogroms in Hungary? Why would you identify with them?
Oh look... the tankies are starting to talk in pictures again because all the copium robs them of the ability to form coherent sentences.
You do remember why we call you tankies, right? Hungary?
I don't hate being called it, I just think you're a lazy anti-intellectual. Also funny you think we're "grifting". Do you honestly think we get paid for this? Someone believes something different from you and the only explanation is we're getting xibucks deposited into our bank account? Get your head out of your ass man.
How can I be an "anti-intelectual" when there are only pretend-intelectuals around?
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no u
Sorry that the Soviets prevented the West from putting as many Nazis in charge of Germany as you would have wanted.
Oh look... it's the tankie hive mind. I'd roll my eyes... but you don't deserve the energy expenditure.
Not Mad
Imagine hearing someone talk like this in irl...blindly screeching tankie as if anyone gives af
Imagine tankies talking IRL at all... I guess you just don't handle rejection very well.
Lol. Get shat on, imperialist.
Our own kind is the workers of the world, the voiceless and the oppressed. And together we are strong.
With whom are you "together," tankie? The workers that have been rejecting you since Kronstadt?
This may come as a surprise to you, but the world isn't just the west.
What's the matter? Snorting copium because all the anti-colonialist movements in the 3rd world only paid lip service to your garbage ideology?
You're making zero sense here.
Kinda sounds like you want the people to lose just so you can keep going "tankies bad" and score imaginery internet points.
The Reds beat the Nazis and liberals will never forgive them for it
TLDR... "Anyone that doesn't worship Stalin must be a liberal!"
Lol.
You clearly are you little shit
At this point, I'm amazed at any tankie that can even spell liberal... despite my low expectations, you still manage to mostly disappoint, though.
dude youre like a GTAV parody of a smug liberal twat, how can you be this painfully oblivious to your own assholery lol