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Immoral? For making you watch ads? How are ads immoral? You're using the service, you watch ads, it's not rocket surgery
Its immoral for the way its being done, not what was done.
Fuck that noise. Advertising as a whole is mostly immoral, we just got used to it.
Marketing in general is a reason we live in a consumer society.
The only reason marketing exist is to trick our brains into buying stuff we do not need.
I'd say ban all of it. The world would be better off.
Uh. It's not immoral to read the data they've served to you on the page they're visiting on their own website. I'm honestly genuinely curious what moral argument you could make, here
they are taking information from your browser without getting your permission first, to use that information against you.
They'd argue that you going to their page which you know is sustained by ads is consent enough to check whether you're using ad block. It's an implicit thing, like how when you go to a restaurant you're implying that you're going to pay the bill afterward. You can't eat and then leave saying, "well technically I never explicitly agreed to pay for this meal, it's your fault for not asking before serving me."
They're taking information from the page they served you and runs the code they wrote to read the page they served you to ensure what they served you is actually what you're seeing
You're accessing the site, you're continuing to use the site, you are implicitly agreeing to allow the code they run to modify the page you're on
I fail to see how it specifically being used to check that ads are displaying is any different from code running normally in your browser to change the page without refreshing the page entirely
More importantly and actually on subject: how is this immoral? What moral code are they breaking here? You can argue legal semantics, but legality is not morality. You made a moral argument. How is this immoral?
Google is tracking you on every website that has a "share to Google" icon.
Which means Google has your entire browser history, even if you use Firefox.
If it was just on their own websites, nobody would be complaining.
This is specifically about YouTube and YouTube specifically detecting adblock on YouTube.
People on here are just out of touch. They call others immoral, yet don't see the irony of using other people's resources and time without proper compensation and not calling it immoral.
Youtube makes money off of adblocked users.
They send your watch habit aggregate data profiles to the number crunchers at alphabet hq, to sell off.
They make fuckloads of money off the free video content theyre given as well as the nonstop data stream of demographics data. Thats why alphabet bought it in the first place.
The ads are just bonus cash. They dont want to miss an opportunity to score more money by selling ad space in their data profile mines.
They are being fully compensated by me logging in and feeding them either free labor as video content or free money as data profiles. They can easily keep the lights on off that alone. They dont need more free cash.
That's not for you to say if it's "fully compensated" or not. They say "here is the service we provide, where is what we want from you". If you reject any part of what they want from you, it's immoral even if it's not illegal.
I am not obligated to sit dutifully with the volume up when ads play on my tv.
Nor am I obligated to allow ads to load within my browser.
They send the data they want me to display, down to every element on the page. It is fully within my rights to choose which elements are allowed to load on my computer.
And I wont be fuckin guilt tripped that the billion dollar company will make a fraction of another billion less dollars this quarter over my decisions to do so.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the typical terms of service or privacy policy even mention that you, as a user, have the power to reject tracking cookies, tracking pixels, etc. via your browser configuration and third party tools? As far as I know, the YouTube ToS and Privacy Policy also mention these things. I just tried to read it but they seem to have broken it up into a sprawling multi-site multi-page document where I can't find the legalese to ctrl+f and pore over.
Can anyone find these documents, so I can read through them please?
Edit:
I found it: https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en#intro
Has anyone said you have to stay there with the volume up? Or even watch your screen? You're just full of bad faith.
Also, I didn't say illegal, I said immoral, which is what you accused them of being. You're not following their ToS, and you're trying to make yourself feel better about it.
TOS are neither the law, nor are they vetted for legality by anyone working in law enforcement.
TOS very often contain straight up illegal clauses; they are largely meaningless.
My argument for that is "yesterday I ate some salad". It's just as relevant to what you just said because once again, it has nothing to do with what's being said.
Thats such an incoherent response.
If you think it had nothing to do with the convo, maybe you shouldnt be chiming in on adult conversations until you can follow them.
The whole chain of conversation is about immorality, and you talk about illegality. They are orthogonal concepts. They have nothing to do with one another.
If a company is writing illegal requirements, there is no moral backing for following them. They arent allowed to ask it of you.
Go get your sippie and blankie. This conversation is too mature for you to handle.
So something legal is moral, and something illegal is immoral? That's your mature vision of things since you're trying as hard as you can to link both?
Then I guess civil forfeiture is moral, but driving 1km/h above the speed limit is immoral then... /s
Also, you're trying to fish for any makeshift argument you can muster, even if they're bad. If you just look at the basic situation: someone is asking X to provide Y. You're not willing to pay X to get Y. Taking Y from them without paying X is immoral, period. We're not talking about an essential good that only them can provide. It's not about insulin being 800$. (Which is legal, so I guess by your definition it's moral...)
Its cute that the salad guy thinks he can reason out a conversation.
Its not immoral to violate an illegal requirement. Especially when they are already fully paid in my data. Do you need an adult to explain that to you? Im not paid to tutor kids, but Im sure you can ask your mother to hire someone.
Since you have no actual arguments, and are just resorting to insulting times and again (and can't understand that illegal and immoral have no link to one another...) I'll just move on.
What arguments could you engage with? Im not debating ideal lettuce to ranch ratios.
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